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Denton County Indigent Health Care Policy: Cruel and Morally Wrong

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Posted by Kathie_L on 2010/6/14 16:20:00 (3596 reads)

To read about Denton's newest county policy for undocumented workers,
click here to read the report from the Denton Record Chronicle:
http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent ... t_Care_0609.853a2b65.html

So the county can save one hundred thousand dollars by refusing to treat undocumented workers (HUMAN BEINGS) that need medical assistance. Wow, that’s a LOT of savings these days. Never mind that the people desperate enough to actually seek care and usually when they do it is life threatening are now refused treatment through intimidation. Most just take it on the chin and stay sick or just die at home…the working poor, mothers and fathers and their children.

Other westernized countries would never consider refusing medical treatment to someone suffering, but we now do in Denton County. I travel to Europe, mostly to the Scandinavian countries, about once a year to visit my husband's family and friends. Once I had to go to an ER for a broken finger on New Year's day in the evening. The wait was far less than a wait in my family doctor’s office in Denton. I was in and out of the Swedish hospital ER after being x-rayed, given a numbing injection so they could set my finger, had a splint put on it, paid a whopping $67USD (only because I wasn't a Swedish national) and was there for maybe an hour and a half. ON NEW YEAR’S DAY. They didn't ask to see my papers or an insurance card even though I presented my driver's license...from Texas.

This whole immigration issue has brought nothing but cruel and inhuman idiocy front and center and remember, Reagan started this whole process by allowing undocumented workers into this country unchecked. Look it up so you can get your facts straight. It went downhill from there because corporations can and do pay the fines repeatedly for not only hiring undocumented workers, but actually advertising for them in Mexico in some cases. They exploit them and threaten them with deportation if they don’t do what they are asked and in many case they are given dangerous jobs that even poor Americans that need work cannot handle. There are laws on the books right now making it illegal to use this practice yet the blame falls on those who have no voice and cannot speak out or fight back because they are intimidated with jail and/or deportation or other frightening outcomes (read: Food, Inc. or watch the movie). THAT’s what our country has come to in the corporate world (thankfully not all corporations, but enough to make me wonder how this could happen)…legalized organized crime with no one watching or if they are, either don’t care or get paid not to. There SHOULD be an outrage going on but not because of undocumented workers. The outrage should be aimed at the those corporations getting away with KNOWINGLY using undocumented workers (setting them up with fake social security numbers), paying them next to nothing and oh yeah, having the audacity to tax them (which of course they [the undocumented workers] will never reap benefits from such as Social Security when they become eligible or Medicare). There needs to be a plan to legalize immigrants who have been in this country working and raising families for years and then stopping more from coming over without a proper process. We let it happen and we need to fix it but we don’t have to be cruel and inhumane in the process.


So back to the stunning 100K Denton County will be saving by not treating undocumented workers. Those of you who point fingers at others because they aren’t Christian enough, wear your religion on your sleeves, tell everyone else what to do, how to act and what to believe, put magnetic fish on your cars showing what a good Christian you are and blaming all the country's woes on this new administration (when prior administrations took us down the road we now travel) should be ashamed of yourselves for even thinking this is ok. Do you really believe this is what your Savior was sermonizing about? You doctors that are all for this have forgotten the oath you swore when you became a doctor so shame on you too. The county hospitals whose bottom lines we are always hearing about…waaaaah. You are already subsidized by the taxpayers to a degree (and undocumented workers pay taxes too) so the reasons just don’t add up for refusing service to anyone because of inability to pay or for not being a US resident. Your paychecks may not be what you think they should be but you aren’t scrounging for money to eat, pay rent, get medical care or buy medicine.


If we all stop to think about this and I mean think about it from the standpoint of YOU being in that awful situation (because most of us are only an illness away from having everything we have worked for ALL OF OUR LIVES taken away because of medical bills), maybe then you will think more humanely on this issue. Until the Health Reform bill reaches its milestones over the next couple of years, what does this new policy of refusing treatment really mean? Do some soul-searching and do some research. Educate yourselves about WHO the bad guys are here. Whether a person is Hispanic, African American, Native American, Asian or European American (Caucasian for those of you who don’t know or remember what that means) these people you are denying basic services to are HUMAN BEINGS! They are NOT the bad guys but they are an easy target so again, SHAME ON THOSE who passed this inane policy. We can do better than this as a community and as a country. Except for the Native Americans, we were all immigrants to this land.

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Posted: 2010/6/14 19:41  Updated: 2010/6/14 22:03
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Ok, so corporations suck and Christians suck and people who have different opinion than yours suck.
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Posted: 2010/6/14 22:07  Updated: 2010/6/14 22:07
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I think she's only talking about the hypocrites.
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Posted: 2010/6/15 12:07  Updated: 2010/6/15 12:07
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Thanks, Mr Editor! You are right but of the comments, you seem to be the only one that gets that. Oh well.
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Posted: 2010/6/15 7:38  Updated: 2010/6/15 7:38
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I'm not saying that ALL Christians suck (I have many friends of Christian as well as other faiths) and there ARE corporations out there doing the right thing(and I said that in the article, "many" is the term I believe I used, not ALL). I know that there are different view points and there should be (that's why our country is good and diverse) but I am saying that picking on people that have no voice is wrong and not treating a person that needs help is a moral atrocity whether it be someone who can't pay, someone undocumented, ect. Seems like these hot button issues come up before an election, get people angry for the wrong reasons (like gay marriage...I really don't care what someone does in the privacy of their home as long as it is between consenting adults and I wouldn't want someone telling my husband and I what we can or cannot do in our bedroom) which only diverts voters from seeing who really needs to be working FOR us. Most of the elected officials in office right now in our state, TX US Senate and TX US Representatives only serve to get re-elected and do NOT have our best interests at heart. They seem to use these same old hot topics to win and then do NOTHING to serve their constituents. Those people need to be held accountable. If you want to twist my words to fit what you believe I can't help that.
My intention was only to shine a light on an issue that in my opinion is so wrong and uncompassionate.
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Posted: 2010/6/14 23:20  Updated: 2010/6/15 9:05
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So, how would YOU handle this? Where would YOU come up w/the $ to cover the cost? Parkland is a place they can go...ever been there? I have...not really the ideal place, BECAUSE it has been stretched to the limit~
If you had people knockning on your door for free food every day, how long do you think you could sustain your household? Surely you would never turn them away? Seriously though, what would you do?
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Posted: 2010/6/15 12:02  Updated: 2010/6/15 12:02
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At least there are community food rooms to help people in need and I do my part to support that (and you can help with that too via the North Texas Food Bank or the Denton Community Food Center or volunteer your time there even if it's once a month...they need help). I think most people have a certain amount of pride and DON'T go door to door asking for handouts but you know what? If a person did I probably would give out food because they wouldn't do it unless they WERE desperate.

Yeah, maybe the funds are tight just like anywhere else and yes I Have been to Parkland and to Denton Regional Hospital. The staff is underpaid and overworked but that's an administrative problem and there are funds availabele to help, but Perry says he won't take bailout money and BRAGS about this big surplus in Texas to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars. So where is it and why isn't it being channeled where it's most desperately needed?
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Posted: 2010/6/14 23:22  Updated: 2010/6/15 9:05
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I also bet you believe "monkey's fly" and "money grows on tree's"
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Posted: 2010/6/15 12:03  Updated: 2010/6/15 12:03
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Really?
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Posted: 2010/6/15 14:46  Updated: 2010/6/15 15:44
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But this isn't about providing service. If you follow the link in the article and go down a few paragraphs, you find this:

The indigent care program is funded exclusively by Denton County tax dollars and primarily reimburses clients for expenses they have already incurred, Burton said. The program doesn’t directly deliver any health services.

All this health care program does is REIMBURSE expenses for lower income residents. It has nothing to do with whether or not care is provided. If a patient isn't able to pay their medical bills, they can ask to be reimbursed by this program. This change only means that they have to be here legally to get the reimbursement. No one is being denied care or refused care because of this.

So, maybe it's not so heartless after all.
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My whole point was that it does cut off services to undocumented workers and to me that's just morally wrong. I do think a plan needs to be in place to help legalize families and others that have been here for years, have worked hard (and paid taxes although will never see the benefits of SS or Medicare) and have committed no acts of violence (and that is the vast majority of them) so they can step forward without fear of deportation or jail. Then stop anyone else from coming over illegally but I think we as Americans can do that without all this hate and venom growing worse by the day.
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Posted: 2011/3/25 14:52  Updated: 2011/3/25 15:57
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FROM http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featu ... sm-meets-liberalization/:

Scandinavians may seem to have it all but it all comes at a price. Scandinavians pay for these benefits with high taxes. The governments make no effort to hide this, as evidenced by this paragraph from a Danish government tax guide for new citizens:

“The tax rate in Denmark is one of the highest in the world, as Denmark has a very large public sector. The public sector looks after many things that people in other countries often have to pay for themselves or that may not even be available to the public. Danish society is expensive to run and thus requires a lot of tax funds.”

Danes are subject to numerous taxes, including state income taxes and municipal, county, and church taxes. Tax rates are progressive and reach 59 percent.

Taxes stifle business. A high tax on new cars makes innovation in the auto sector impossible, according to Ford’s managing director in Denmark , Kenneth Jorgensen. Taxes and duties account for around 50 percent of GDP. Currently, corporate taxes are levied at 28 percent.

Sweden ‘s tax burden was 50.5 percent of GDP in 2004. The OECD notes that some Swedes avoid taxes by working fewer hours or “operating in the black economy.”

“Finns face a high personal tax burden, particularly when taken together with municipal tax, church tax and social insurance contributions,” reports Deloitte Touche. Finland ‘s corporate tax rate was lowered in 2005 from 29 percent to 26 percent. Finland ‘s VAT (value-added tax) rate for goods and services is 22 percent.

Like the Finns, Norwegians face a heavy tax burden, with progressive income tax rates up to 51.3 percent in 2005. Corporate taxes are 26 percent, and the VAT rate is at 22 percent.

All is not well in Denmark either, as Danes have one of the lowest life expectancies in Western Europe. As costs have risen, standards have declined and waiting times have increased, according to the EIU. Danes have responded by taking greater interest in private insurance.

We could have what the Scandinavians have if we're all willing to pay for it.
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Posted: 2011/5/31 13:05  Updated: 2011/5/31 14:55
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Let me see if I understand this correctly, you are upset because the tax dollars of american citizens are not being used to take care of ILLEGAL ALIENS who broke the law to come here and now they want US to fix them.

Look, I hate being sick. It is not fun. And I do not wish to promote the suffering of others. But I do NOT expect the French, or Russian, or German or Mexican Government to pay for my medical treatment. People are not ENTITLED to any and all available programs, just because they happen to be on U.S. soil. Start with the first things first. Get a visa, THEN come over, THEN get a job (hopefully), THEN apply for benefits. Don't just walk, crawl, swim or whatever over here and then expect me to take care of you. The laws are in place for a reason. How much is our government already paying out to people who shouldn't be here in the first place. This makes it harder for legitimate citizens o receive benefits due to budget cuts and lines and red tape etc.

By the way... who are "UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS" paying taxes too? And traveling to Europe on vacation or business is NOT the same as living here illegally. Has it ever occurred to you that one of the reasons they come here is because they have heard about all the free stuff they can get?

There are american citizens right here in our own country who also are living off of society and I believe we need to take steps to retake control over those programs too, like drug testing for welfare. If I have to take a drug test to get a job, they should have to take one to get a free check.
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Posted: 2012/10/2 11:40  Updated: 2012/10/2 15:31
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President Nixon helped to create our current health care system. Some Americans are so brainwashed, they think if all citizen were to be treated that would be socialism. Sad, sheep. What's the point in paying taxes to a Government, that won't take care of their citizens. Some, want poor and elderly to suffer, you keep the inequality going, and that makes a lot of people happy.
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