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Updated: Titan Seeks Rule 37 Exemption on Lewisville ISD Property

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Posted by WhosPlayin on 2011/9/29 21:50:00 (1904 reads)
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Open in new windowOpen in new windowTitan Operating, LLC. has filed an application for an exception from the state's Rule 37 to allow it to extract natural gas within 47 feet of the property line for Lewisville High School's Killough 9th and 10th grade campus in Northern Lewisville. Lewisville ISD had not been aware of the application, which was mailed to the district's P.O. Box in Lewisville, until today when Lewisville Planning and Zoning Commissioner Neil Ferguson spotted the letter while reviewing Railroad Commission documents on Lewisville gas wells.

Titan's Prologis SE 1H well has already been drilled, but Titan is waiting for the exception so they can frack the well and begin producing. Titan's initial permit from the Railroad Commission was for a bore path that was not within the 330 feet distance the state requires for unleased properties. But that path took the well bore within 3,000 feet of the Lewisville Lake dam, and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers objected, based on worries that underground activity could affect the dam's integrity.

The bore path of the well, shown in the attached plat, puts the well at its closest point 47 feet from LISD property, and would drain natural gas from underneath the property.


View Lewisville Gas Wells in a larger map

Titan VP of Operations Chris Hammack says the company worked in good faith, talking with LISD Superintendent Dr. Steve Waddell and Chief Financial Officer, Dr. Quentin Barnett, and offering the district a lease worth $1.5 million* plus a 25% royalty for all of the district's properties within the Prologis tracts, and the B&H and Ingram areas in Southern Lewisville, as well as the district's properties in Flower Mound adjacent to the Hilliard well site. When Titan felt like it wasn't getting anywhere in the negotiations, it filed the rule 37 exception request to ask the Railroad Commission to let it perforate along the section of the bore that is closer than 330 feet to unleased properties.

Hammack said that he still had hopes that Lewisville ISD would sign a lease. "I know that school districts are dealing with funding cuts, and this is a source of funding for them that is not subject to Robin Hood," said Hammack; "We're still willing to work with them, and we can do a lease on just one property, or all of them, or we can take out the Hilliard property from the deal if that would make it easier."

When we contacted Lewisville ISD Information Officer Karen Permetti, she was not aware of the application, which has a deadline of Monday, October 3rd at 5 p.m. for filing a protest. According to a mailing list filed with the Railroad Commission, Titan mailed the request by U.S. Mail to "LEWISVILLE ISD; PO BOX 217, LEWISVILLE TX 75067". Permetti said that normally legal mailings to the district are sent via registered mail. Permetti later said that Waddell and Burnett had searched their offices and Permetti's for the letter, but were unable to locate it. WhosPlayin forwarded LISD the copy of the notice provided by Ferguson, who was also making phone calls to ensure the district didn't miss its deadline to protest.

This evening, Permetti said that the district would file a protest first thing Friday. By protesting the application, LISD forces the Railroad Commission to schedule a hearing, and buys more time to reach a deal that would provide LISD with some proceeds from its minerals. Hammack was confident that the commission would grant his request. "We can put on a very compelling case in Austin as to why we had to drill this way," said Hammack, after explaining the changes required by the USACE due to the proximity to the dam.

All of the Prologis wells are drilled from Titan's pad site on McGee Lane, just South of F.M. 407. The site was not opposed by residents, and easily received its drilling permit from the City of Lewisville. The pad site is approximately 2,340 feet as the crow flies from the nearest edge of the Killough campus building. Hammack says that 8 to 10 wells will be drilled in the Prologis SE unit, which is about 590 acres. If LISD doesn't lease, the district's acreage would be excluded from the calculations for the life of the unit, and the royalties it would have received on any well drilled within the unit will be split proportionally by the leased mineral owners in the unit.

Permetti expressed gratitude to Ferguson for bringing the notice to the district's attention in time for the district to take action. Ferguson said he was just researching the status of local gas wells as he does on a fairly regular basis. "This is kind of a lucky find," said Ferguson; "It's important because there is a lot of money involved."

Ferguson also serves as president of Lewisville Neighbors for Responsible Urban Drilling, a group that just successfully fought against Titan's proposed placement of wells in close proximity to neighborhoods in Southern Lewisville. The group is sometimes misunderstood by drilling advocates as being "anti-drilling", but Ferguson (who is retired from ARCO Petroleum) points out that the group only wants to ensure that drilling happens in the appropriate places, and not in neighborhoods near homes and schools. Ferguson said he thinks that LISD should go ahead and lease at this point, since the drill site is already established, and there is nothing to gain by holding out. "You've got to strike a balance; which solution puts more people in the 'wins' column? In this case, clearly it is not a win if the wells are drilled anyway, and LISD misses out on the revenue. It wouldn't be fair to the taxpayers," Ferguson added.

Update 10/3/2011:
The Railroad Commission has placed this case in the queue for Docket Services for a rule 37 hearing. LISD's protest is attached.

* Other news stories published after this post said $1 million. Hammack was going by memory and wasn't certain about the number when we talked to him.

The writer of this article has multiple relationships with parties mentioned in this story. Please see the "Full Disclosure" for more info.

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Posted: 2011/9/30 9:09  Updated: 2011/9/30 9:15
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When Dr. Roy was superintendent, he told the board that William's offer of $20M was very little money in the scheme of things, especially when it came to upsetting the parents. Titan is offering $1.5M plus 25% royalties, minus production costs and taxes. An even smaller amount of money than William's offer.

Titan needs to take a hike.
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Posted: 2011/9/30 9:31  Updated: 2011/9/30 9:55
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Raise your hand if you think Titan sent the unregistered letter to the general mailing address to show that they attempted to reach LISD but fully knowing that it would get lost since it wasn't addressed to anyone including the legal department. What dirt bags! However, at this point, I have to agree with Neil's assertion that LISD should negotiate with Titan and sign a lease or they will be robbed of the potential profit.
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Posted: 2011/9/30 10:28  Updated: 2011/9/30 10:29
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Disagree. Why should the district sign a deal with a private entity that plays dirty? The district needs to boycott these types of deals and stand on principle.
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Posted: 2011/9/30 12:34  Updated: 2011/9/30 13:14
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Because they will be robbed of the gas under their property if they don't sign a deal. I wish it was as simple as boycotting and standing on principle but the drilling is going to take place one way or another. I am totally for NOT drilling but I am AGAINST the school district getting screwed too. Sometimes you have to compromise. Everything is not black and white.
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Posted: 2011/9/30 14:13  Updated: 2011/9/30 14:14
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Disagree again. This is black and white and the District should not compromise when they are being nothing but backed into a corner by a bully. And doesn't LISD have zero tolerance policy against bullying?

Also, it can and will lessen the amounts of wells fracked if an entity and/or individual wins a protest against a Rule 37.

Stand firm Dr. Waddell and Board Members. Our children and the staff who have to put up with the emissions is not worth any amount of money.
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Posted: 2011/9/30 16:33  Updated: 2011/9/30 16:43
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I agree that LISD's "choice" should not be signing a lease they may not agree with OR likely have their minerals taken without compensation, but in fact, 99% of Rule 37's are granted to the operator. The only true leverage you have is NOT signing a lease in the first place. The problem is the process. The operator gets to dictate what you get for the lease, there is no competitive bid process, like would happen for ANY other vendor the distict would do business with.

-Eric J.
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Posted: 2011/9/30 16:51  Updated: 2011/9/30 17:08
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Clayton Williams, another Texas oilman, made the analogy during his 1990 gubernatorial run that bad weather is like rape, if it's inevitable you might as well lay back and enjoy it. Those infamous words resonate when an operator infers the same thing when they Rule 37 a person or property who does not want to lease.

Don't take this lying down LISD!
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Posted: 2011/10/1 10:36  Updated: 2011/10/1 10:54
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So don't sign, have the Rule 37 go in favor of the operator, and have the gas stolen from LISD with no payment...that's what I want from our school district...NOT!

By the way, I [and many people] were offended by Clayton Williams' reference to rape. I can't believe that 20+ years later someone would use that reference again. It is despicable and you should be ashamed of yourself for stating that in your post. I guess you would quote Hitler to if one of his quote supported your stance. Hateful reference!!!

-from a rape victim

(Ed. Note: Corrected the name above to avoid implicating the wrong Clayton)
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I'm not so fond of that reference either. While I understand what the guy was trying to get at, it so completely misses the mark about the reality of that crime.
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Posted: 2011/10/1 11:59  Updated: 2011/10/1 12:22
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No lack of empathy to rape victims and it is an insidious crime. The reference was made, because the oil and gas industry does not care whom they violate on their ruthless quest for profit. Aruba petroleum testified that they did not care if their operation by the Ruggiero home in Allison, TX triggered cancer in the Ruggeiro's 9-year old daughter. The oil and gas industry testified to the EPA recently that their gas drilling operations will only (only?) inflict cancer among 40 individuals in 1 million. So do you not find their disregard for human health for profiteering insidious as well? Oil and gas, as any individual or industry that harms, should be held accountable for any crime against another human being.
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Posted: 2011/10/1 15:03  Updated: 2011/10/1 15:08
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Yes, I do find it insidious but you are offensive with the statement that you used. Find another way, perhaps your own words, to state that without the use of a phrase that tells you to "enjoy" the rape.
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Posted: 2011/10/1 18:38  Updated: 2011/10/1 18:51
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Not my words, but quoting from Clayton Williams. And, yes, it was insensitive to repeat them, so please accept my apology. I will pray for your forgiveness, but mostly your healing. God bless.
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Posted: 2011/10/1 15:08  Updated: 2011/10/1 15:09
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I wonder if you would so cavalierly use that reference if you wife, mother, sister, or daughter had been raped.
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I totally understand the frustration with this situation. The minerals leasing process in Texas is far from free market, and far from fair. If it were up to me, I would rewrite the law. But the process is intrinsically problematic because you'll never get 100% agreement with any sufficient number of mineral rights owners.

I think that LISD has fought the good fight in this, ever since 2009 when we began to learn about some of the problems that other communities were seeing with drilling in close proximity to schools and homes. They rightly focused on education and avoided the controversial topic of drilling. The school board understood that creating a bunch of rancor over gas drilling would detract from the important tasks at hand.

But at this point, LISD has played its cards, and come up with jack high when the other player is showing aces. For those who oppose the drilling 2,340 feet from a school, or perhaps oppose it altogether, there is nothing at this point that LISD can hope to gain by refusing to lease. It's not even a moral victory; it's just lashing out to the detriment of the taxpayers.

We need to look at this rationally, so here's my little chart showing what happens either way in this scenario with the Killough campus minerals:

LeaseDon't Lease
Number of wells drilled in the unit8 - 108 - 10
Number of wells drilled on the same pad site for the other 3 units24 - 3024 - 30
Number of wells stopped00
Feet of pipeline stopped00
Can negotiate for environmental and liability protections?YesNo
Chance of ever being able to lease to another operator, even if rule 37 exception is denied:NoneNone
Chance of LISD winning rule 37 hearing.None1%
Gas will be drained from LISD Property?YesYes
Number of pad sites11
Distance from pad site to school2,340 feet2,340 feet
Royalties Titan must pay on gas drained from the unit20% to most property owners
25% to LISD
20% to most property owners
Titan pays signing bonusYesNo
LISD receives signing bonusYesNo
LISD receives royalty paymentsYes - 25%No
Money both parties spend on lawyers for rule 37 hearing, if it goes to hearing.LISD: None
Titan: None
LISD: $$$
Titan: $$$
Number of unfair state laws that will change:00
People in control of the situationLocally elected school board membersUnelected state bureaucrats working for oil and gas industry.
Right to complain if gas production causes unsafe conditions:YesYes


It's clear to me that LISD wins, and the taxpayers win by leasing the Killough property. A failure to do that would seem to me to be a breech of fiduciary duty to protect the district's assets. The district has fought the fight, but the time has come to get while the getting is good. Titan will actually pay MORE in royalties overall if LISD leases. Titan will pay MORE in signing bonus if LISD leases. Both parties avoid sending a bunch of money to lawyers to fight it out. And LISD has a chance to write into its lease contract any provisions it thinks are necessary, such as liability protections or restrictions on how far away the drill sites must be. Without signing a lease, LISD has no say in that.

I strongly believe that LISD needs to go ahead and hold the nose and sign the lease.
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Posted: 2011/9/30 20:14  Updated: 2011/9/30 20:14
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Excellent analysis, Steve. The Prologis well site will still be there near Killough either way. The SE 1H well will still be fracked. More wells will be drilled from that site in the future. Whatever emissions Prologis will have won't change unless a large leasing party negotiates leverage. What will have to be decided without delay is whether LISD will collect a dime and have a voice in how it will be done, or hide and watch.

It's not hard to work backwards. Titan wanted to move forward, and LISD was not moving fast enough. So Titan played a trump card to push things forward. Only thing that almost went wrong was LISD did not know Titan had played the card.

Now they do. Your options table accurately spells out the choices and outcomes.

-RNeil
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Posted: 2011/9/30 23:29  Updated: 2011/10/1 7:46
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I agree with your analysis on the Killough site, however this same analysis cannot be applied to the BB/Shadow Ridge campus, which seems to be the one causing the most contention. That site is completely blocked off to the South by LISD property. The South Unit 1H well comes just outside Rule 37 distance from LISD property and is oriented in a East/West orientation. Since wellbore paths never cross and a wellbore between the existing South 1H well and LISD would be less than a normal between well spacing of 500', if LISD does not sign a lease for that property (cannot bore directly under a tract without a lease), NO additional drilling can occur to the South. Based on presentations in front of the Oil and Gas Board of Appeals, that would eliminate 5-6 wells based on a 20-24 well estimate if all 4 units were fully developed without any encumbrances. So this idea that not signing leases does not eliminate wells, is simply not true, at least in some cases.

We have seen what unencumbered pad site development yields, it yields a Williams Scenic facility. Make no mistake, the forces that have been feuding over political control in FM are united on this front.

It will be a political hornets nest if a lease is signed for LISD property south of the Hilliard pad site. Maybe the administration should talk to a few parents of kids who were at BB and SR while fracking operations were occuring. There were some very interesting observations and many people who in the past were not paying attention to this issue, are now.

-Eric J.
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Thanks, Eric. I think I agree with you about LISD's property by Hilliard being a blocker. And yes, the situation during fracking is obscene. I don't think you want kids anywhere near that with all the diesel fumes and dust. (For anyone who hasn't seen it, take a look at this video...)
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Posted: 2011/10/1 9:38  Updated: 2011/10/1 10:51
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Steve, I usually agree with your logic and do respect you laying out the facts regarding what District has to gain versus lose if they protest Rule 37, but please think of the big picture. The oil and gas industry uses nothing but Mafia tactics. We all know that exeption to Rule 37 is legalized and sanctioned theft--the people, the Municipalities, the District AND the industry along with the Railroad Commission. Nobody has challenged the latter two in regard to the constitutionality of stealing one's property rights. The RRC and the industry will sit back and continue to laugh at all of us who are being robbed.

Funny that Chris Hammack referred to Robinhood in his statement.. Although Titan is a thief as Robinhood was, they do not give to the poor.
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Posted: 2011/10/1 16:00  Updated: 2011/10/1 18:12
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And then reality sets in. As if suddenly this is the moment when someone will finally win agains the drillers. They own the government from top to bottom. What they didn't already own, Dick Cheney delivered them on a silver platter.

Better for LISD to negotiate, including a request for special sanctions with Hilliard, than fight a losing battle and just give it all away. At least in Lewisville, and now in Flower Mound, they won't be adding new pad sights in the middle of where we live and breathe.
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Posted: 2011/10/2 9:22  Updated: 2011/10/2 12:03
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So as part of the negotiation, can LISD demand that Titan use vapor recovery and any other technology that captures the emissions coming off of those wells by our children's schools?
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They could always ask. They would probably have more leverage with that at Hilliard, where the land is bigger and in the way. There may be some options that have bigger bang for the buck though. The district might look at the EPA's "Gas Star" program and pick some of those items.
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LISD's protest is now attached to this article.
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Posted: 2011/10/3 17:01  Updated: 2011/10/3 17:06
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Should have mailed it to one of Titan's rigs.
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Posted: 2011/10/4 20:23  Updated: 2011/10/4 20:23
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This is with reference to the homeowners living in sub-divisions by Hilliard field (both sides of 2499) who have signed lease agreements. Are any of them receiving royalty checks and how much?
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Posted: 2011/10/5 0:09  Updated: 2011/10/5 0:43
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No pipeline, No production, No royalties.
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Posted: 2011/10/7 4:04  Updated: 2011/10/7 8:18
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Any inside information on the success of these 2 wells? What will be their production capacity?
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LISD published its agenda for the October 17th meeting, and there was no mention of any discussion of gas leases. There is a standard list of items for the closed discussion, including consultation with attorney and purchase or sale of real estate, but those are there pretty much every month. And action is taken on those items prior to hearing public input. It could be that the district needs time to put the lease out for bid, and we'll see a board discussion when it's time to approve the bid.
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Posted: 2011/10/22 6:44  Updated: 2011/10/22 8:25
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Yesterday around 6.15 pm there was a strong odour as I was passing by Hillaird site on 2499 and that's just with 2 unproducing wells. Titan/ Hillaird did a blunder in going ahead with this site surrounded by neighbourhoods. Additional wells is only going to cause problems for nearby residents and equally for Titan.
I don't think people here have the patience like middle east to tolerate Titan/ TCEQ if this smell or emissions persists. Titan themselves should backoff from going forward on Hillaird. Hope LISD board are assertive enough and negotiate to keep off Hillaird.
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Posted: 2011/10/22 6:46  Updated: 2011/10/22 8:26
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Hello,
I have a house near the prologis site near the Lewisville High School. It has been very difficult to get any info from anyone about my rights and how to negotiate. It turns out that drilling was approved and I am wondering about my mineral rights and royalties? Am I right that because I did not sign a lease that I get nothing out of this?
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Hi Bernard. The short answer is that without a lease, you won't get any money when the wells start producing. There are two ways to know whether you have mineral rights: 1) Research your land title going all the way back to the 1800's. Or 2) Let the gas operators tell you. They've already researched it and know who owns what.

It may not be too late to get your property leased and participate in the small checks that come once the gas starts flowing.

For your area, contact:
Lisa Morrow
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Titan Operating, LLC
lisamorrow@titanoperating.com
(817)698-8000
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Posted: 2012/1/11 22:11  Updated: 2012/1/11 22:11
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Thanks for your response. Are you affiliated with the gas companies in any way and how is it that we homeowners know what the "fair" rate to accept is? It seems that they are just going to drill anyway and our mineral rights are lost whether we accept or not.
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I'm not affiliated with them, but I keep in touch with them because we serve together on Lewisville's gas drilling stakeholder committee. (Full disclosure here)

Basically, fair depends on the market. At one point, 12.5% was considered fair. Now 20-25% cost-free royalty is considered fair. Signing bonus of about $4k per acre is pretty decent - though at one point, Chesapeake had been paying up to $30k per acre before the bubble burst. I don't know if you would get a signing bonus this late in the game after the drilling has occurred, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.

The thing to do was when the companies first approached a couple years back, organize the neighborhood and drive a bargain together. That's what our neighborhood did, and we were able to get a few extra bucks and some additional contract terms that we thought were more protective of the environment. That ship has long since sailed though.
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 Re: Lease discussion not on LISD agenda
I read your disclosure and I apreciate your information on this issue as it seems to be the best available (at least from what I could find).

I was hoping that my neighbors and I would also from a group of some sort but all the neighbors I talked to simply said they aren't signing anything and unfortunately, that didn't seem to stop the drilling. Am I right that they just simply went to the city and bypassed our leases?
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 Re: Lease discussion not on LISD agenda
It's not that they bypassed your leases with the city; it's that state law allows them to form a unit that includes your property once they have a good solid majority of that unit leased. That keeps other companies from drilling in the unit and basically removes your right to lease it to someone else. It's not very fair.

Depending on the location of your property and the other holdouts though, you may have some leverage in that they can't drill directly under you. You may be stopping them from hitting minerals on the other side of you.

Why don't you email me your address and I'll take a look on the map.
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