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Lewisville Council to Consider Cleavage Ban, S.O.B.s

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Posted by WhosPlayin on 2011/10/15 1:10:00 (3058 reads)

Open in new windowThe Lewisville City Council will consider changes to its sexually-oriented business (SOB) ordinances Monday night in response to complaints about scantily clad waitresses at one of Lewisville's breastaurants. Red Neck Heaven is a restaurant and bar on the West side of I-35 E. in Lewisville, known for having waitresses that leave little to the imagination. The establishment is known to have "ABC" nights, meaning "Anything But Clothes", where the waitresses wear creative but revealing clothing, including pasties over otherwise bare breasts. Pictures found on the restaurant's Facebook page show waitresses at work with nothing but panties and bras.

City staff provided this background information:

The police department received complaints from citizens about waitresses and their attire at a certain restaurant. The police department conducted an investigation to determine if the business in question violated the sexually-oriented business ordinance. During our investigation, officers observed photos of waitresses serving patrons with coverings over just the areola of their breasts by what are commonly referred to as “pasties”. After a review of the ordinance and in consultation with the City Attorney, it is staff’s belief that the definition of nudity or state of nudity needs refining. The proposed definition would restrict such attire from being worn by wait staff unless the establishment first obtains a sexually-oriented business permit.


We obtained these pictures through the restaurant's Facebook page, where there are postings of "ABC" events, "Naughty Schoolgirl Night", "Powderpuff Football", "Bikini Week", "Naughty, Naughty Maids" and so on. (It was tough research, but someone had to do it)



Open in new windowAs you can see, there is a lot of skin showing, including side-boob, under-boob, and butt cheeks. (Click to enlarge)

In addition to some technical updates to the SOB ordinance, and qualifications of the operator, the main change is in the definition of nudity:

Nudity or a state of nudity shall mean:
(1) The appearance of a human bare buttock, anus, male genitals, female genitals or female breast; or
(2) A state of dress which fails to completely and opaquely cover a human buttock, anus, male genitals, female genitals or areola of the female breast or part of a female breast or breasts that is situated below a point immediately above the top of the areola.


Under Lewisville's SOB ordinance, restaurants can be included in the classification of SOBs as an "Adult Cabaret", which must be licensed and pay a $500 yearly license fee. A restaurant could be classified as an adult cabaret when it regularly features "persons who appear in a state of nudity."

Lewisville now has several restaurants featuring buxom and attractive waitresses as part of the experience, though none are considered cabarets or SOBs: Hooters, Twin Peaks, Tilted Kilt, and Redneck Heaven, in rough order of increasing salaciousness.

The illustration at the top of the post demonstrates that under the strict definition of the new wording, any establishment with waitresses showing cleavage dipping below the top of the areolas would be subject to classification as sexually oriented businesses.

I can see how the attire of the waitresses in some of the pictures above would be inappropriate for minors and unsuspecting diners who didn't know that Redneck Heaven is a breastaurant, but it seems the language here is overly broad in such a way that it could ensnare businesses with waitresses or patrons wearing dresses or blouses with plunging neck lines, or dresses that tastefully show a little side-boob.

I hate to see this bring on unintended consequences that would endanger businesses, unfairly make some women out to be sex workers just for dressing a little sexy, and disappoint the men of Lewisville. I also have to wonder how police would enforce that a given section of visible breast is below the top of the areola if the woman has her areola covered?

Isn't there a better way to define nudity than to declare some rather commonly-displayed parts of the female breast to be out-of-bounds? Is it really fair that the law treats men and women differently when it comes to toplessness? Of all the harmful things in society, most notably the celebration of violence in our popular culture, why do we feel that this part of the human body is so dangerous that it should be hidden?


Update 10/17/2011 - 5:22 p.m.
I spoke with City Attorney Liz Plaster today to see if I understood the meaning of the ordinance correctly. What she said was that although the technical meaning of the "areola" part was basically as illustrated, it isn't the intent to declare cleavage to be a defining characteristic of an S.O.B. Rather, the establishment would have to have regular displays of it. With cleavage, it would be impossible to prove whether the ordinance was being violated without seeing the areola bared, since one wouldn't necessarily know where it was. Only the situation where a woman is wearing pasties or showing the bottom part of the breast would be a clear and prosecutable example.

Plaster says the wording is based on the Dallas ordinance, which has been tested in the courts on numerous occasions and found to be constitutional. Plaster did not know off-hand whether Redneck Heaven's location would be allowable as an S.O.B. due to setback restrictions from residences.

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- It passed. Here was the discussion.

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Posted: 2011/10/15 8:21  Updated: 2011/10/15 9:57
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"...and butt cheeks." (Click to enlarge.)"

For my personal butt cheeks, I'd like you to create a "click to shrink" capability! I'd be okay with clicking to enlarge my breasts though!

All joking aside, I think some of the "costumes" are more appropriate for a strip club. I am no prude but I don't want to be served by a waitress like "the silver goddess"! If this level of dress is allowed, I think it should be clearly marked at the entrance prior to entering the establishment to prevent people from stumbling into the place and being shocked. The name "Redneck Heaven" doesn't bring visions of scantily clad waitresses to mind. It makes me think of bbq ribs, etc.

A question that I have is how old do you have to be to serve there? I would really like to think that these girls have to be at least 18 to dress like a cupcake or an "underboobage" Cowboys fan but, in reality, servers only have to be 16 at a restaurant.
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Posted: 2012/11/25 1:06  Updated: 2012/11/25 1:51
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If the restaurant serves alcohol, then you have to be 18, some states 21.I can't think of one restaurant with waiter service that doesn't sell alcohol, so you're wrong there. Although I do agree with the inappropriate attire. There's a difference between looking sexy and flat out trashy. I don't want to see your lips (the ones below your hips) and ass cheeks around my food. If I'm not eating fish, then I'd prefer not to smell it, but that's just me.
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Posted: 2011/10/15 10:33  Updated: 2011/10/15 10:34
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This is outrageous and one more example of PATRIARCHY pronouncing the female form to be dirty and shameful. We are adults who work hard for a living and get paid. If you dont like it, dont come to the restaurant. Maybe we should come to the hearing in costume if their so obsessed with what we wear. Where and when are they going to decide this?
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Posted: 2011/10/15 12:15  Updated: 2011/10/15 14:17
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Then advertise what you are so that unsuspecting families don't walk in!

By the way, I am female. I don't think the female body is "dirty and shameful" but there is a time and a place for everything. I eat at Hooter's on occasion [good hot wings!] but, from the pictures, Redneck Heaven goes WAY beyond anything you would see there. The cleavage rule is kind of stupid but I believe when you wear pasties and underwear, show sideboob and underboob you are broaching on a sexually oriented business. Why not pay the $500/year fee, declare yourself what you are, limit admittance to 21 and up and install a dance stage and some poles. Plenty of titty bars serve a free lunch and the food is pretty good. Yes, I've been to a titty bar...see, I'm not a prude but I knew what I was getting into when I went there.
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Posted: 2011/10/15 12:58  Updated: 2011/10/15 14:17
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If you work there, maybe you can answer my question regarding how old you have to be to be a waitress there.
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Posted: 2011/10/15 13:08  Updated: 2011/10/15 14:18
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The answer to your question is in the first sentence of the post:

The Lewisville City Council will consider changes to its sexually-oriented business (SOB) ordinances Monday night

The meeting will be this Monday night [October 17] in Council Chambers at City Hall. I believe the meetings start at 6:30 p.m. but check the city website to be sure. I would suggest that you and your friends that come in costume be prepared to face those that have complained about the indecency that they feel goes over the limit. There is sure to be a big crowd. Any and all of you can fill out a card to speak during the public portion of the meeting but you need to know that shouting and other displays of poor behavior aren't tolerated during the meeting and can get you escorted from the Council Chambers.
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I support your right to work and do what you need to do, if you can handle that livelihood. But don't you think some of that goes way beyond the norms, even for breastaurants? I just think that it should be a fully-informed 18 and over thing when you do that. I don't know if calling it an SOB truly reflects the reality of it though, and I don't like the proposed wording of the ordinance. I could probably come up with better geometry than a straight line.

The meeting is at 7:00 p.m., Lewisville City Hall, 151 W. Church street in Old Town Lewisville. Here's more information about how to contact your councilman.

If you do work there, I'd love to ask you some questions. Please email me: ses@whosplayin.com.
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Posted: 2011/10/15 16:14  Updated: 2011/10/15 16:37
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So you're fighting for women's rights in a patriarchal society by dressing that way and encouraging men to objectify you? Sister, you don't know what "old ladies" like myself had to go through to be taken seriously in the field of Engineering "back in the day". We fought for women's rights by getting sexual harassment and equal opportunity laws passed so that we [and you by extension] didn't have to put up with lewd sexual comments, come-ons, and ass grabs and yet you, by your attire at work, ask for what we hated so much. It makes me sad. Probably about as sad as it makes blacks when Herman Cain says that they are brainwashed and that blacks that vote for democrats haven't left the plantation yet. To each their own I suppose. Good luck with your career choice.
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Posted: 2011/10/15 17:42  Updated: 2011/10/15 18:17
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So just because a woman dresses that way she "deserves" To Be sexually harassed ?? Give me a break !! If you truly fought for equal rights for women as you claim you have, then you would already know that your statement was one of the leading arguments to overcome in rape cases throughout the years......
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I think it's a pretty far leap from provoking the desired reaction from a man to rationalizing rape. Rape <> sex. I think that has also been argued for many years.

Back on topic, in the example of Redneck Heaven, there are two possibilities.

1 – Redneck Heaven management and employees are so in touch with Freedom of Speech issues and truly respect and admire the female form for its artistic beauty, they devote 1 day a week to these issues.

OR

2 – Redneck Heaven management and employees realize men are pliable (read stupid) creatures when faced with scantily clad, friendly (I’m guessing flirty maybe too?), pretty girls. This pliability allows for maximum transfer of cash from customer to business and waitress.

When someone dresses a way to provoke a reaction then pretends to be surprised or, better yet, offended, by that reaction, that’s just silly. Animals look a certain way to send a message. People do the same thing.

When you wear low-riding chinos, a shaved head, and a white t-shirt, you are intentionally sending a message.

When you wear pants to your knees with a colored handkerchief from the back pocket, and a teardrop tattoo, you are sending a message.

When you wear wranglers with a T-shirt proclaiming ‘The South Will Rise Again’, you are sending a message.

When you wear expanders in your earlobes and ink sleeves, you are sending a message.

When you are 43, overweight, and bald(ing) but still play in a band, you are sending a message.

When you dress in such a way as to expose parts of your body that society will find titillating, you are sending a message.

Don’t get upset when that message is received and you are judged accordingly.
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Posted: 2011/10/16 9:57  Updated: 2011/10/16 10:00
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Excellent response! I posted the thoughts that the young woman took issue with and blew totally out of proportion. Because your post is so well stated, I don't plan to answer her other than to say that in fighting for equal opportunity [which I truly did] it also means that she can choose to wear the little outfits and work at Redneck Heaven. Her choice doesn't have to be my choice and vice versa but I am sorry that she chose to go that direction. She is too young to know what it was like for women in the workplace 30, 40 and 50 years ago and I doubt even her mother is old enough to know. We forget what people before us endured and fought against.
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Posted: 2011/10/16 20:14  Updated: 2011/10/16 23:01
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OK girls, let's all break out the hymn books and sing "We Shall Overcome". We have a women's activist here who implies that she and others have changed the course of history for women's rights. What that history is, I am unsure of since women are still discriminated against in the workplace, exploited and victims of sexual harassment. Pardon me, but this is 2011, not 1940.

I have an idea. Why not at the citizen's forum tomorrow at the City Council meeting you stand up and tell everyone the TANGIBLE advancements that you and others have accomplished to further women's rights in the past 50 years. Be prepared to burn your bra and sing "I am Woman, Hear Me Roar" as I'm sure everyone, especially women who have experienced the above setbacks due to being female, would love to hear about your claimed accomplishments and why we still have the same issues occurring in 2011.
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Posted: 2011/10/17 8:09  Updated: 2011/10/17 8:16
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The laws that protect you from sexual harassment in the workplace and provide you with equal opportunity employment are just two of the advancements that were made by us "bra burners" [you know that men also fought for these laws too, don't you, and I've never burnt a bra in my life...I choose to wear them instead]. I'm sure that you can find people that agree that nothing has changed but I will tell you that you have no idea what it was like. No one ever said that sexual harassment was wiped out in the workplace by what was accomplished but you now have the legal right to fight it. No one ever said that a man getting hired before you would be wiped out but you have the legal right to fight that too if you can prove it was solely based on him being a man. By the way, equal opportunity and sexual harassment laws apply to men as well.

I would imagine that Dr. King and other black "activists" of the 60's would hear the same complaint from young blacks: why is there still discrimination for us? I will tell you for both women and minorities it is that things change slowly a little each generation but the fight is never over. Instead of whining on a blog and trying to discount what I've said, do something about it! If you are facing harassment at work, file a complaint. If that doesn't work, file a law suit. If you feel that a man with the same qualifications as you received a job, promotion or pay raise and you didn't, do the same. The tool are there for you to use. It is your choice whether you choose to use them. If you are afraid using them will get you fired and you choose not to use them, then you just took a step backwards and "they" won.

NOTE TO EDITOR: I won't post anything else on this thread. I apologize that it was taken over and I look forward to hearing what you have to report from the meeting tonight.
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Posted: 2011/10/16 19:17  Updated: 2011/10/16 22:58
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Oh little girl, I wasn't going to answer you after I read Patrick's response but the more I thought about it the more I feel the need to. How dare you dress in the slutty costumes that Steve showed a sample of and then get self-righteous about me supposedly stating that you would deserve to be sexually harassed or worse! I wore business suits that were professional and non-revealing and I still got my boobs and ass groped because I worked in a "man's world". Did I ask for it? No, but it happened anyway and not much was done about it in those days. I was raped too so your suggestion that I would ever participate in the defense of a rapist with the "she deserves it" mentality is truly heinous to me. Do I think you deserve rape? No, no one does but I do think you glorify in your young body and you probably get thrills when middle-aged men come flirt with you and give you big tips because you flirted back. You wouldn't work some place like Redneck Heaven if you didn't like that kind of attention. I hope you and your co-workers do go to the council meeting tomorrow night and express your views about the possibility of changes to the law but just a word of advice, drop the anger and self-righteousness that you show in your posts and you will get much further in swaying the council not to make the change.
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Posted: 2011/10/17 8:00  Updated: 2011/10/17 8:15
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...............WE SHALL OVERCOME.......

Quite frankly Madam, whenever you decide that you want to get out of the world of "cyber debate" and actually attend civic meetings and get involved to put your money where your mouth is, then perhaps I will think that your argument has any shred of merit.

Also, your grand assumptions as to who I as the author of the response above am, what my occupation is and what I wear on a daily basis is quite inaccurate.

This thread is about S.O.Bs , the parameters in which they are defined via city ordinance language and about the gray legal and moral areas that businesses venture into to attract customers, not about your personal experiences or unfortunate anguish.
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I actually had to read this a couple of times to make sure this wasn't a satire piece...
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I guess that's what I deserve for posting satire sometimes without warning. It's real. Here's a link to the agenda. (Long Version) I just realized I forgot to post the link. Sometimes real life is as entertaining as satire.

BTW, you and John will be interested to know that the majority of the agenda is filled with Castle Hills stuff— mostly bond approvals.
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Yes - I already saw that. The 1-F/PID 4 bond issuance is basically the same as the ones have come before and is generally pursuant to the 1996 development agreement. The 1-E/PID 3 issuance is something new: District 1-E, which has an elected resident majority, is seeking to issue bonds to pay off its developer debt and also partially refinance some outstanding bonds. This issuance will let 1-E eliminate a potential source of dispute with the developer and improve its financial stability which will enable it to have a better chance of lowering its taxes in the future. This is good.
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Women's liberation, decency, etc. aside - there is another practical concern which is the effect on nearby areas. RH is right near Vista Ridge and all of the other retail along I-35E. An establishment that is regarded as sexually oriented - whether it has that official designation or simply has that perception - is likely to affect shoppers choices to do business with nearby areas. People don't want to drag their small children through a parking lot shared with or near one where minimally dressed waitresses are doing shots off of each other - something I hear goes on outside of RH. Some women will probably feel uncomfortable going into a store or restaurant if they have to pass by this type of activity or pass by patrons of these places. Moreover, RH, Hooters, Twin Peaks and Tilted Kilt are all very prominent and are near each other. They already project an image of general seediness that amplifies an already existing perception of Lewisville being somewhat down market. It's just like the broken window effect: just as home buyers will judge an entire neighborhood as being rundown by a single broken window, shoppers will judge an entire retail district as being seedy by a single rauchy establishment.

These negative effects need to be managed in one way or the other. The restaurants that want to target this market need to self regulate and stop short of becoming strip clubs if they want to avoid tighter regulation though S.O.B. regulation or otherwise. And if they don't, the city can and should use whatever authority they have to regulate them so as to protect the viability of the surrounding areas and the sales tax revenue that those areas produce.

(Personally, I really wouldn't want any food handled by any naked person - but maybe that's just me.)
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As support for my assertion above, see the following article which is a survey of DFW appraisers on the secondary market effects of various types of businesses on the appraisal value of residential and commercial property:

http://communitydefense.org/cdcdocs/l ... /texas_fortworth_2004.pdf

This study found that 89.7% of the respondents felt that a "gentleman's club" would decrease the appraisal value of commercial property within 500 ft. 2.6% said it would have no effect, 5.1% said it would increase values, and 2.6% had no opinion.

It's not so much of a leap to say that a business which is perceived to be like a "gentleman's club" would have a similar effect and that a decrease in appraisal values would positively correlate with a decrease in sales tax revenue from the affected areas.

See also the other articles listed here:

http://www.communitydefense.org/wordpress/category/studies-sobs/
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 What I Saw at Redneck Heaven
When I wrote the blog post the other night about the City Council's possible action against Redneck Heaven, it was too late in the day to get a comment from the establishment for the article, although I've since emailed them and have yet to hear back.

Nevertheless, since I've never been to Redneck Heaven, and was writing about it, I thought it was only fair that I visit the place to see what it was about so I could be sure that I wasn't just making assumptions based on what I saw in photos on the internet. It's a tough assignment, but I took one for the team and went there on Saturday afternoon to check the place out.

The building, on the West side of I-35, just before you get to Vista Ridge Mall Drive is the former home of a Mexican food restaurant that my family and I used to frequent, and we hated to see them close.

As a redneck-themed restaurant, they have a simulated NASCAR-style stock car in front, and a tricked out chopper motorcycle inside. They cater to motorcyclists, and have covered motorcycle parking in front. There is a patio section in the front of the building facing I-35.

As I make my way to the bar, I notice that the service staff is virtually all-female, and bikinis are about the most modest thing they are wearing. Many are in bras and panties, and they are all very attractive. The décor is gaudy, in keeping with redneck theme. A sign by the bar says "Liquor up front, poker in rear".

I found a seat at the bar, where two bartenders are attentively serving their customers. I was in my seat maybe a minute or two before Brandi came over to explain the specials to me. She has blonde hair and large round bosoms, and was dressed in a pink bikini with straps from the bottoms going up to her shoulders like suspenders. I guessed she must be in her late 20's.

She mentioned $3 draft beers, and I settle on a Ziegenbock. She pours it immediately before setting it in front of me, carefully folds a paper towel from the rolls sitting out on the bar, then grinds some salt into this makeshift coaster. As she set my beer down, she asked if I wanted some food, and gave me a menu to look over.

I ordered the "Diablo" sandwich, which is chopped barbecue, pickles and onions. While I waited on the food, I looked around to get a feel for the place. My plan is for a beer and a sandwich, take a few notes, then pick up some things at the store and head home. I tried to count the young women working there, but quit when I got to 20, and from where I was sitting couldn't see the whole space. There is apparently no specific uniform. They are mostly white, blonde, and in their early 20s if not a little younger. I'm terrible at guessing ages, but they all seemed to be over 18. (Not that I was checking IDs, and not that any of the young ladies would have had a place to carry one on them) They are wearing bikinis, tube tops, and underwear. Some of them have little tiny sarong-like garments over their bikini bottoms, but there is plenty of cheek showing.

The other bartender, Rachel, is blonde, slim and tanned, and wearing string bikini-style pink panties, and a sheer lacy pink bra covering her small breasts. Her nipples are covered with pasties, which you can see under the bra. A bottle opener is on her hip, her panty string as the holster. She and Brandi are working as a tag team, each checking on their customers. They take the time to stop in front of each customer and directly engage them, asking if they can refill your glass or get you anything. I don't know how old Rachel is, but I learn that she is younger than 22, because she is excited and talking to one of the guys about having to wait until she is 22 before she can get a breast augmentation.

As I sit at the bar, I take a quick note of the patrons: 95% of the customers are male. Of the 15 men sitting at the bar, I was the apparent youngest at 40 years old. There are a few women customers, and they all appear to be here with men. I didn't see any children.

The patrons and staff were pretty well-behaved. Definitely there was flirting going on in both directions, and some of the guys were trying out their pickup lines, but I got the sense that none of the guys were under any illusions about their chances with the waitresses or bartenders. But they seemed to enjoy the validation of pretty women flirting with them. Some of the patrons are apparently regulars, and know the waitresses walking by to serve patio guests. The girls stop by to greet them with hugs and ask them how it's going. I even saw a female patron flirting, commenting on how cute the outfit was that the bartender was wearing.

Many of the waitresses have cash or guest checks tucked into a bra or bikini strap. One stopped at the bar and sat down to figure out some checks. She stacked what appeared to be a couple hundred dollars in cash.

My sandwich arrived, and it is huge. The bun is probably 6 inches in diameter, and it is piled so high with barbecue, it's hard to pick up without losing some of the load. I tried, but eventually had to resort to using a fork. I didn't expect much from the food, given the apparent main selling point of the establishment, but was pleasantly surprised at the quality. The sandwich was delicious, and has my mouth watering just now as I recount it. I couldn't finish it all, but I sure gave it the college try. I also ordered the sweet potato fries, which were crisp and perfect.

I had about an inch of beer left, less than half way through the sandwich, and Brandi was on top of it. She just asked so nicely if I wanted another that it was hard to turn it down, and next thing I knew, she was bringing another folded paper towel, more salt, and another mug of Ziegenbock. Redneck Heaven is the #1 generator of beverage tax receipts in Lewisville. In a report dated January of 2011, it brought in $22,379 in tax revenue, barely beating BJ's for the top spot. That month, Twin Peaks brought in $16,513, Hooters paid $9,795, and Tilted Kilt brought up the rear with $3,419.

It was downright chilly inside, and it felt to me like I should have worn a jacket. I couldn't imagine what it must feel like to wear nothing but skimpy underwear. One of the other patrons mentioned something about it and asked Brandi if she was cold. "Nope, mine are pretty much always this way," she said, referring to her very noticeably erect nipples.

I look around to see what the other guys' reactions are, as scantily clad young hotties scurry about carrying drinks and food. I sort of expect to see a lot of staring and head turning, but notice that many of them are watching the Texas game on one of the many televisions throughout the place. In the seated portion of the restaurant, most of the tables have two or three men, and they're having conversations. I can't tell where they're looking, but suddenly I am distracted.

A cute and curvy young blonde waitress wearing matching hot pink bra and panties walks past me again, and I zone out for a moment. She is girl-next-door looking, and is not by any stretch fat, but seems more normal. You could imagine her with clothes on sitting in a pew at church. As I mentally dress her, she catches my gaze and smiles at me knowingly, seemingly satisfied at having snared me with her wiles, even if she wasn't my waitress and had no chance at a tip. Busted.

At this point, my beer wanted out, so I asked Rachel where the restroom was, and to please not take my sandwich away. (I really was into that sandwich) In the restroom, I encountered something I've never seen before: The urinals in the men's room have windows over them with mirrored glass so that you can see out into the restaurant while you do your business. How convenient to not have to give up the view, even for the duration of a bathroom break. I guess it's just a little weird to think about sitting in the dining room and having people possibly watching you while they pee.

On the way back, I notice the place has its own ATM in the lobby. I came back to find my beer with a napkin placed over the top of it. I sat back down to finish up, and a few seats down, and older guy lit up a cigarette, and was quickly pounced upon by Rachel, who firmly but warmly scolded him, explaining that it was strictly a non-smoking restaurant. She handled it well, and he quickly complied with a smile. At that point, someone came up to tell the bartenders that someone had broken a beer bottle in the men's room. Who takes beer into the men's room?

I paid my tab and left a $5 tip with the $12 tab, which is about what I would normally leave for my fully clothed bartenders of both genders at my usual haunt.

Redneck Heaven has yet to respond to my request for comment on tonight's City Council agenda.
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In a 4-0 vote, the Lewisville City Council passed these changes tonight.
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This is not a comment about the ordinance, this is a domestic dispute. So long as I own you, that will be the singular time that you will enjoy the view from the urinal, Stephen E. Southwell. It was only in the spirit of "research" that I allowed myself to swallow my own vomit at the suggestion of your patronage. I have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion, and won't pretend to, but there has to be something said for the amount of absolute anger I feel. Society can't bitch about "the perception of women as objects" so long as there are women that stoop to that level to get dumb men's money! How awkward it would be if one of their Daddies walked in. Jesus!! I hope to hell you didn't take any money back from the waitress and you were sure you washed your hands!


I'm an "each to their own" kinda gal. But this shit pisses me off. The pictures, that damn "Liquor in front, poker in back" (are you KIDDING ME?! - NICE.) sign, temperature of the place... Give me a break. Just go to a titty bar already.
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Posted: 2011/10/19 21:57  Updated: 2011/10/19 22:41
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Well, that is gonna leave a mark...Stephen
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Posted: 2011/10/20 8:18  Updated: 2011/10/20 9:38
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Way to go, Fluffy! I totally agree [but focused on my husband, not Steve...luv ya Steve!].
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Posted: 2011/10/22 11:49  Updated: 2011/10/22 12:35
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After reading all the comments I have to say I am frustrated and disappointed at the same time. Frustrated because of all the negative comments;

Really!? Anyone who thinks this would be considered a "family" restaurant should have there head examined! Doesn't the name of the establishment kinda give you some indication that it's not really for families and children. Pull your head out the dark place its currently located!

This is America and as an American you have a choice as to whether or not you eat there! I have been there several times and not once did I have someone put a gun to my head to get me to go in!

As far as the dress code to work there, well the last time I checked no one was dragging body parts across my food. I can't say with any certainty but I don't think any of those girls were in anyway intimidated or pressed to work there. All willing participants!

Why don't you people who have a problem with this restaurant stick to your sewing circles and keep going to Luby's! Better yet, why don't you just stay home and cook a meal for a change. You know what it is so if you don't like it, stay away! I promise I won't go to your house for a meal and then complain as to how you serve it!!!
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Luby's? OW!!! That burns!
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Advertise what it is, restrict the age that can go in or don't wear see-through panties and bras. And no, Redneck Heaven doesn't automatically make me think that it isn't a family restaurant. It sounds like a BBQ place.
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Posted: 2011/10/23 10:28  Updated: 2011/10/23 12:25
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I went into Redneck Heaven expecting to see a bunch of toothless cousins with shotguns eating squirrel and possum. Boy was I surprised.

Whatever happened to truth in advertising? Perhaps "Dirty old man without the cojones to go to a strip bar heaven?"
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Too funny!
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Question: With the updates to the ordinance, has the city done/researched any more regarding this issue? I forgot about this story until a friend was telling me about redneck heaven and how embarrassed she was to go in there (they went for minnow-shots, which is a completely different story- bleh).

Just curious as to how the City handled the changes and if any new complaints were made. A friend of mine went into Redneck Heaven last week without realizing what kind of “costumes” they had and told me she couldn’t believe they showed “side boob” and “under-boob” and had the ABC nights. I laughed and told her about your story, the city council meeting, and all the stories inbetween that I heard from both sides.

I guess Redneck Heaven doesn't care about the ordinance since they are trucking right along with their side/underboob costumes? Or did they file for the permit?

Also, please promise that you won't do any "on site research" again...I read Fluffy's comment above.
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Posted: 2012/6/18 22:52  Updated: 2012/6/19 6:29
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Could you give me a clue as to what minnow shots are? I have a vision of a poor minnow swimming [briefly] in a shot glass of tequila until someone downs it minnow and all. I hope I'm wrong!
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Posted: 2012/6/19 17:15  Updated: 2012/6/19 17:21
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unfortunately, you are right on the money.
1. minnow in cup of water
2. choose your shot
3. gather your guts and glory
4. combine at last minute (fish will die quickly in alcohol)
5. try to keep it down and not to throw up

apparently they blow a horn for those who successfully take the shot and keep it down.
personally, I think it is disgusting and unfair to the poor fish.
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I find that way more offensive than underboob.

Somehow, drowning minnows in alcohol and swallowing them seems way more cruel than using them to fish with. I know that probably doesn't sound rational, but I guess it's the casual disregard for a living creature, whose death is used not for nourishment, but for sophomoric entertainment.
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Posted: 2012/6/19 20:25  Updated: 2012/6/19 23:03
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Sad and disgusting! So what is their next idea of fun, stomp on kittens in stiletto heels???
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I too would like to know what a minnow shot is.

Last night, I asked Police Chief Russ Kerbow whether they've had any enforcement issues at Redneck Heaven since the ordinance was passed. Kerbow said that his officers had been out there a time or two on unrelated calls, but as far as he knew, not because of the ordinance. He indicated that they had a conversation with the manager of the place, and that the manager had stated they would comply.

I do note that Redneck Heaven has another "Anything But Clothes" event listed on their events calendar for June 22nd.
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"I do note that Redneck Heaven has another 'Anything But Clothes' event listed on their events calendar for June 22nd."

Way to drum up business for them, Steve! ;^)
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