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Was Texas House Candidate Pat Fallon a Resident of Denton County When he Voted Last Fall?

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Posted by WhosPlayin on 2012/5/13 18:10:00 (16804 reads)

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Did candidate for State Rep., and current City Councilman Pat Fallon, of Frisco commit a crime last fall when he registered and voted using an address of a house he rented in Denton County? That was the question asked by one of our readers recently, and hinted at in the comments to one of our other posts. At a time when Republican legislators claim rampant voter fraud, with scant or non-existent evidence, we thought it was worth looking into.

Open in new windowOpen in new windowWhat We Know
We found that Fallon, a Republican, registered to vote in Denton County last October, switching his registration from Collin County. Fallon was in the process of having a house built in the Denton County portion of Frisco that falls within the newly drawn House District 106. According to Fallon, he was concerned that the house would not be completed on time to move in and establish residence by the November 6th deadline that would have applied under the primary schedule that applied at the time. So Fallon says he paid October rent on a house in the Frisco portion of the district, not far from where his new home was being built.

Voter registration cards were submitted for Fallon and his wife Susan on October 5th and 6th of 2011. Both cards were processed by Denton County on October 9th. Fallon and his wife both voted early, but on separate days; Fallon voted on October 26th and his wife on October 27th.

Election judges are trained to ask prospective voters to verify their address after presenting their identification to check in. The election judge we spoke to, Peggy Chenault, said that the wording of the question is very specific: "Will you please verify your address?" Chenault says they phrase it this way so that they're not giving out the address on record.

Open in new windowRecords show that Pat Fallon would have verified residing at the rental property, and that he voted without incident. It was Susan Fallon's response to the question that raised a red flag for poll workers that day. Chenault says she remembers that when Susan Fallon checked in, the address she gave did not match. When the election worker asked Susan about 2118 Fox Ridge Trail, the address of the rental house, she reportedly responded "I don't know where that address is, and I've never lived at that address." As is the policy, election judges required her to fill out a Statement of Residence. Susan provided the address of their new home, (which they had yet to take title to) and was allowed to vote.


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Pat Fallon says that he leased the house and paid a full month of rent from October 1st - 31st, 2011. When asked if he could provide documentation that he lived at the residence, he offered to show us a copy of the lease, but dodged the more specific questions relating to whether or not he actually lived there. We tried to arrange a time to meet him to look at the documents, but he didn't return our call.

Interestingly, in an email from Susan Fallon to her neighbors dated October 17th, she announced that she would be moving to Denton County in the very near future, thus contradicting the voter registration cards that she and Pat Fallon had submitted earlier that month. If the move was in the very near future from October 17th, then it would indicate that they hadn't moved yet.

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Whether the rental property was or was not Pat Fallon's legal residence, we can't say, though it would seem for practical purposes it was not. But under Texas election law, the residency is what the voter says it is unless it is adjudicated otherwise. That process would require another voter to file a challenge with the voter registrar, who would hold a hearing and decide the matter. The results of that hearing could be appealed to a state district court, whose decision is final.

On October 31st, according to deed records filed with Denton County, the Fallons officially had their new house. The very next day, Pat Fallon submitted a voter registration card changing his address to that of the new house. Susan Fallon's registration card, although election workers said it had been turned in, was not processed by Denton County Elections office, and her registration is still for the rental property address.

The Texas Election Code defines residence as a "domicile, that is, one's home and fixed place of habitation to which one intends to return after any temporary absence." The code goes on to say "A person does not acquire a residence in a place to which the person has come for temporary purposes only and without the intention of making that place the person's home." That part is important, because with a new home under construction, it clearly was not the intent of the Fallons to make the rental property their home. Throughout the election code, the present tense word "resides" is used to describe residency requirements for voting.

But Texas law is tricky when it comes to residency, and case law certainly indicates that intent is part of it. In the Texas Supreme Court case of Mills v Bartlett , the opinion was stated in part:

"Neither bodily presence alone nor intention alone will suffice to create the residence, but when the two coincide at that moment the residence is fixed and determined. There is no specific length of time for the bodily presence to continue." Mills v. Bartlett, 377 S.W.2d 636, 637 (Tex.1964)


The courts tend to hold that the voter himself is in the best position to determine intent. It could have been Fallon's intent to make the rental home his residence for a day, then temporarily stay in the previous home until the new home was built, then reside at the new home. For more on how residency can be determined for voting, see this Attorney General opinion.

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The language above the signature box on a voter registration card (Pat Fallon's shown) states that giving false information to procure a voter registration is perjury, and a crime that may result in imprisonment up to 180 days and a fine of $2,000. The Texas Election Code says this form of perjury is a class B misdemeanor.

Making a false statement to an election official, such as stating or agreeing that the registration address is still your residence is also a crime.

However, the standards of the law are so squishy as to make the question of residence an opinion question to which there is almost no wrong answer. It's like requiring a voter to state their favorite football team or what they like to eat.

But there is in addition to the legal question, a question of judgment for the voter, who can weigh the evidence of a candidate's stated residency and decide for themselves whether it matters that the candidate actually lives there, cooks there, sleeps there, and brushes his teeth there.

We asked Fallon directly for an answer to that question, and he replied: "Because when this came up I - back then and now, I consulted with an attorney and we are 100%... That's cause I knew this would happen, I knew it would get to a point where it was looking so bad and so bleak that [Amber Fulton's campaign] are gonna try to play this kind of games. I try to be a little bit... you know, have more than one synapse firing at a time."

Personal Finance Statement, Possible Ethics Violation Found - Or Maybe Not
Multiple Listing Service (MLS) records show the rental agent on the housewas Jeff Cheney, Fallon's fellow Frisco City Councilman, and that the rent was $1,800 per month. A lease would trigger a reporting requirement for Fallon, as an elected official, but Fallon's filing this April for the 2011 period listed N/A on the section requiring disclosure of liabilities (including leases) of over $1,000.

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Making a false statement on a financial disclosure, such as having a lease and not reporting it, if done willfully and knowingly, is perjury, a Class A misdemeanor. (Penal code: Sec. 37.02)

The question here though is whether a pre-paid lease would constitute a liability in the eyes of the law. Certainly, taking possession of a rental property means that one is on the hook for any possible damage, but does one incur a liability? The instructions on the form seem clear to us that leases are required to be reported.

What we think
Whether or not it is advisable to move into an area for the purpose of running to represent the people who already live there, we certainly understand the predicament for those who do. As Fallon said, he needed to establish a residence there for the purpose of meeting the constitutional requirement of having lived in the district for at least one year at the time of his election. That requirement has since been changed by court order to April 9th. But, the construction of a new home is something that rarely has a guaranteed completion date, and Fallon needed a backup plan.

We think the proper course of action for Fallon would have been to simply either:

A) Run in the district in which he lived, or
B) Move to Denton County sooner

At any rate, voters will have to ask themselves whether a person who moves to an area just to run for public office really has their best interests in mind, or if they are serving their own political ambition. Voters will have to decide whether Fallon is following the letter and spirit of the law in these matters, and whether he will do the same if elected to the Texas House.

When we asked Fallon about his time in the area, and being a newcomer in Denton County, he replied "That's fine, I've been here 22 years, 21 years - in this area. The Air Force brought me down here for military service and I've lived For 6 years, I've lived 100 yards away from Denton County. And if they think that it's not enough, then maybe they shouldn't vote for me."

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Anonymous
Posted: 2012/5/13 20:04  Updated: 2012/5/13 20:24
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Mr. Fallon appears to be just another politician that you cannot trust.

No surprise that his handpicked candidates for City Council were defeated in a landslide yesterday.
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Posted: 2012/5/13 20:33  Updated: 2012/5/13 21:12
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Answer seems clear to me and The Dallas Morning News who endorsed her: vote for Amber Fulton. Fallon is nothing more than a carpetbagger in District 106!
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Posted: 2012/5/13 20:33  Updated: 2012/5/13 21:12
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Posted: 2012/5/13 20:59  Updated: 2012/5/13 20:59
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With the Attorney General of Texas stating two weeks ago on "Inside Texas Politics" on WFAA that voter fraud is a serious problem in Texas and one he takes very seriously, I'm sure this will be looked into very quickly. Like most Texans, I'm sure Mr. Abbott is a man of his word.
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Posted: 2012/5/16 16:42  Updated: 2012/5/16 17:04
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Fulton was booted from office after voting to raising taxes. Clearly the voters actually did not trust her. She also spent taxpayer dollars at lavish hotels around the country. That's a proven politician that we cannot trust
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Posted: 2012/5/16 19:04  Updated: 2012/5/16 23:38
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You are incorrect! Amber Fulton never voted to raise taxes. Yet another lie perpetrated by the tea party and Pat Fallon's goons. Amber did lose her school board race largely because a PAC from Collin County sent out a mailer full of lies. Lies and deceit that's the Fallon camp and his WAF cronies no doubt!
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Posted: 2012/5/30 10:52  Updated: 2012/5/30 12:01
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Correction. Amber did support the Tax Ratification Election back in 2010. But it is all good. Now she can return to the LISD Board like Kathy. Maybe their next try at increasing property taxes will go better.
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Posted: 2012/5/30 12:14  Updated: 2012/5/30 13:51
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Show me the school board minutes that verify that either way. If neither of you can show proof, then neither of you can be believed.
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Posted: 2012/5/30 15:12  Updated: 2012/5/30 15:12
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I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for - am at work and all my files are at home. This came from the July 12, 2010 minutes:

2. Motion by Mrs. Fulton, seconded by Mr.Ferguson to adopt the Ordinance Fixing and Levying School District and Valorem Taxes for the Lewisville ISD for the 2010 year be adopted as read.
― Adopt an ad valorem tax rate of $1.4467/$100 valuation and a tax rate of $1.06/$100 for the maintenance and operations of the schools within the District.
― This tax rate will raise more taxes for maintenance and operations than last year’s tax rate and the tax rate will effectively be raised by 1.2223 percent and will raise taxes for maintenance and operations on a $100,000 home by approximately $12.80.
― Adopt a tax rate of $0.3867/$100 for the purpose of paying principal and interest on debts of the District.
Motion carried 5-1, with Mrs. Latham opposing.
3. Motion by Mr. Ferguson, seconded by Mrs. Fulton to adopt: ― Proposed Election Order calling a Tax Ratification Election (TRE) to be held on September 14, 2010;
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4. ― Proposed Election Notice giving notice of a tax rate ratification election, to Be held on September 14, 2010. Motion carried unanimously.
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Posted: 2012/5/30 19:39  Updated: 2012/5/30 20:56
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I'm not an expert, but the way I see it is that during that period of time (2010) when housing valuations were declining, the school district had to do something in order to stabilize the revenue relative to expenses. I believe they considered all possible budget cuts at the time without sacrificing the level of education that the children deserve. As for me, I would have paid it with no hesitation. I have kids in the public school system. Those families that don't have kids or those that feel the public school system isn't at the level their children deserve, then I suppose any tax increase is the devil.

No I'm not a democrat either!

If I remember correctly, a small town south of Dallas, (I think Red Bud???) tried to pass a Bond election in order to generate money for M & O. Their schools were badly in need of some maintenance (air conditioning equipment). But the voters sharply voted it down. The story on the news showed that the high school had to be closed for a few days because of A/C failures. To make a short story long... I don't want that situation in my school district and I don't think anyone that owns property would want that. Good/Great Schools is probably the single most important consideration when selecting a home. If you live in an area where they don't consider schools to be important... well, just try to sell that property.
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Posted: 2012/5/30 16:38  Updated: 2012/5/30 16:38
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What she voted for was to put a 2 cent increase in front of the voters - as opposed to the 13 cents that the administration had been proposing. It would have added $20 a year to a $100k house.

If that violates the ideological purity of the all-taxes-are-bad crowd, then so be it. Government has a job to do, and its workers don't work for free.
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Posted: 2012/5/18 17:40  Updated: 2012/5/18 19:47
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Based on the story, Susan should also go to jail. She's an adult and shouldn't be able to claim she didn't know anything about it.
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Posted: 2012/5/30 6:16  Updated: 2012/5/30 6:19
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Think before you speak.
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Posted: 2012/5/30 19:44  Updated: 2012/5/30 20:56
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I'm thinking if you break the law .... well, there is a consequence.

If you YOU think its OK, well then your one of those folks that do whatever it takes to get ahead. Wait, I just described Pat Fallon.
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Posted: 2012/5/30 6:17  Updated: 2012/5/30 6:19
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Is it a surprise that Fallon won in a landslide yesterday?
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Posted: 2012/5/30 7:07  Updated: 2012/5/30 7:07
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 Rhetorical, but I'll answer anyway...
No, the choices and actions of the Republican base no longer surprise me, but they never fail to disappoint.
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Posted: 2012/5/30 17:07  Updated: 2012/5/30 17:26
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"No, the choices and actions of the Republican base no longer surprise me, but they never fail to disappoint."

Then you and Amber go run and vote inthe Democratic primary where you belong
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Posted: 2012/5/13 22:24  Updated: 2012/5/13 22:44
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I would like someone to ask Mr. Fallon if he still lives in either of his two homes worth more than one million dollars in Collin County. The Starwood community seems to be where you see most of the Fallons automobiles on a daily basis.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 7:14  Updated: 2012/5/14 7:32
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I would agree with this statement. I live in Starwood and every time I drive past the Fallon's home, I see at least 3 cars in the driveway with Pat Fallon campaign magnets pasted on the sides of the vehicles. I have to believe that they still live in the house because I see the cars during the day, and at night. Another interesting fact is that, Susan Fallon is/was the Village Rep for her neighborhood. And just a few months ago, she attended the Village Rep meeting to vote on the new Starwood Board members. If she stepped down as VR and moved in October, why is she participating in neighborhood business?
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Posted: 2012/5/16 16:44  Updated: 2012/5/16 17:05
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All of the Fallon stalkers are creepy. Get a life. If you don't like him run for office. You couldn't possibly lose by a larger margin than Fulton...
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Posted: 2012/5/16 18:23  Updated: 2012/5/16 18:39
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I don't think anyone here is a stalker. It is our right as voters to do due diligence on the candidates. Fallon supporters and Fulton supporters alike need to make educated decisions. It certainly isn't helpful to have someone post that "Fallon stalkers are creepy", "Get a life.", and "couldn't possibly lose by a larger margin than Fulton". If you want to talk about what Fallon stands for, then do so. Your statements here don't make me want to vote for Fallon.
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Posted: 2012/5/16 21:08  Updated: 2012/5/16 23:39
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You gotta stalk those professional politicians.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 7:31  Updated: 2012/5/14 7:33
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A quote from Pat in the article "I knew it would get to a point where it was looking so bad and so bleak that [Amber Fulton's campaign] are gonna try to play this kind of games."

This is not the point at all Mr. Fallon. The point is: What is the LAW?

I will give you another example of this tactic. People, all the time, try to get their children into school districts other than the one they officially live within. Those folks will find a relative, or Rent/Buy a home in the district and then put the bills in their name and feel like that is enough to qualify for their children to attend that ISD. If this policy/rule has changed, please let me know.
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What is the law is a 100% accurate question.

Even Ms Fulton's campaign has confirmed that Mr Fallon is a legal resident of 106.

I also noticed Brian Mayes' misinformed video on Mayor Maso's facebook page.

Hey brian, I know math isn't your strong suit but Frisco's teacher to admin ratio s 1.1 to .9 which is mathematically as close to 1 to 1 as it gets.

If you measure salaries, the average admin and total admin salaries in Frisco is much higher than it is for teachers.

This is a disgrace, our #1 problem is too much admin, too little classroom.

Not surprising to me one of the biggest PACs promoting the rise of more bloated Admin staff at the expense of spending money in the classroom is supporting (in fact her biggest single donor) Mr Fallon's OPPONENT.

Looking forward to Mr Fallon representing 106 as well as he represented the people of Frisco.
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 1 to 1 is an education myth
Cwright, I highly recommend you read this article by Stephen Waddell - LISD's superintendent. In it, he thoroughly explains what the job classifications are that are other than teachers. They're not all "admin". Although our numbers will differ from Frisco and the state in general, the 1 to 1 ratio you cite is bunk. It is misleading at best to go around citing such a bogus statistic designed to make people think that there is literally an "administrator" for every teacher.

Facts are important. The fact is that only about 3.7% of employees are considered "administration" on the central or campus level. Others are auxilliary, such as bus drivers, cooks, maintenance, security guards, computer people and so forth. Teachers would not be able to handle as many kids as they do without the support.

If you think there's too much support staff, then say so, but be prepared to tell us who you'd like to cut, and how those responsibilities get taken care of. Tell us how we'll meet the thousands of intrusive state mandates that micro-manage education.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 11:36  Updated: 2012/5/14 11:54
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Is it really up to Ms. Fulton to determine whether Pat Fallon "lives", "sleeps", "etc... etc.." in Denton County?
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Posted: 2012/5/14 13:38  Updated: 2012/5/14 13:53
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It is Fallon's responsibility to be honest with the voters about these issues. By reading this it sounds deceitful and dishonest.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 16:14  Updated: 2012/5/14 16:51
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Your statement about the 1.1 teacher/admin ratio is beyond belief, you bring discredit to the campaign you are supposed to be supporting. I was straddling the fence on the Fallon/Fulton question but now I need reassurance that Mr. Fallon does not share your preposterous ideas.
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This one to one teacher to admin ratio has been disproven so many times.
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Here's Fallon saying it:


I do note that he throws the word "support" in there. That makes it a little less false, but it still ignores that a big chunk of the jobs are education aides and professionals like diagnosticians.
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Posted: 2012/5/15 7:11  Updated: 2012/5/15 7:42
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I sure hope he doesn't plan to change our public schools. I'm also concerned that Anne McCausland endorsed Mr. Fallon according to a campaign mailer I received.
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Posted: 2012/5/15 9:41  Updated: 2012/5/15 12:51
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You can bet the if Mr Fallon gets elected that he will not be an advocate for public education. All he knows about education are the empower Texas talking points he gets fed. He has not presented any plan that I can find as to how he will approach budget shortfalls for education and/or health and human services. He needs to run around with a sandwich board that says no new taxes or get a parrot that can sit on his shoulder and say it for him ;)
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Posted: 2012/5/17 16:13  Updated: 2012/5/17 16:18
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You folks in Frisco thought that since Pat Fallon resigned from Council, he would be out of your hair. Well, think again. Not only will he still be on the steps of the council chambers in Frisco, but he's also going to be on the steps of the Frisco ISD admin building. Yes, he does have an endorsement from Anne McCausland, and this is just the start. He talks about fixing the 1:1 ratio in the ISD system(s) (Maybe LISD too, don't know). Think about this... when it comes time to have another Bond Election for the ISD, who do you think is going to support that cause? It won't be Fallon. He's going to stand behind the folks that vote Fallon into office, and those folks don't have children in the public school system. Those families with kids stand to lose allot if you vote Fallon into 106.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 21:40  Updated: 2012/5/19 21:40
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Actually Pat is spot on in this video.

#1 problem we have is that our admin side (read non-classroom) has EXPLODED in classic liberal fashion robbing money from students and inflating the costs in some bizarre job creation mode.

It is ironic that the Ms Fulton's single biggest supporter is Parent PAC which has NOTHING to do with Parents and 100% to do with promoting bigger admin staffs.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Mr Fallon will make the tough but needed calls to make schools better for students, parents and teachers.
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Posted: 2012/5/20 10:16  Updated: 2012/5/20 11:01
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Well, you can't gut schools much more than they have already been gutted this year and last year! Your idea that there is a 1 to 1 correlation of what you call admin [that isn't admin as has been pointed out] and teachers is wrong. We are to the point that we are losing school nurses [not an admin position!] at a time when more kids have more severe health issues and need an RN present to help them. Look at the school budget. Tell me where you would cut. What "admin positions" [that you describe as anything non-teacher/classroom related although that is an incorrect definition of admin positions] would you or Fallon cut? By the way, if he wants to cut the school budget [not what the state funds], he really needs to be running for school board. That's who has to deal with the lack of funding that the state has put upon all of the school districts in the state!
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Posted: 2012/5/20 9:26  Updated: 2012/5/20 10:59
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Ok, if you think Patrick Fallon's intrepation of residency is ok, then you've just solved the We Are Frisco organisations problem. Hey WAF, go buy a 70K home in Frisco (anywhere within the FISD, then claim it as your homestead. Your in! Now you can go to Frisco Schools with no hassle, no fuss.

Line them up and bring it on.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 11:08  Updated: 2012/5/14 11:25
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Amber Fulton is the clear choice in this race. Early voting starts today and Election Day is May 29th. We can trust Amber's integrity.
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Anonymous
Posted: 2012/5/16 16:46  Updated: 2012/5/16 17:05
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The voters unelected her once. Not sure why they would change their minds.
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Anonymous
Posted: 2012/5/16 19:16  Updated: 2012/5/16 23:38
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Reminder Amber Fulton won the areas in both LISD and 106, 55 to 45.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 16:53  Updated: 2012/5/17 17:06
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Yes, Amber Fulton - the same LISD Board member who expensed out $9823.82 in the 2010 - 2011 budget. (Keep in mind she lost her seat in May 2011) Behind Jerry Roy, she had the most expenses of any board member that year.

Fulton expensed out $11,911.01 in 2009 - 2010. That year Jerry Roy had the most in expenses, followed by Carol Kyer with $13,482.26, and then Fulton.

I thought she said she was a spendthrift????
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Posted: 2012/5/17 17:33  Updated: 2012/5/17 17:33
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Have you bothered to find out what those expenses were for, or are you only throwing out numbers? All expenses have to be approved so I doubt that there is any thing worth stirring, other than to taint Mrs. Fulton.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 18:35  Updated: 2012/5/17 18:51
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Yes, I made those numbers up.

2010 - 2011 (January to Mid May) for Fulton
Meals - $563.49
Lodging - $5,552.43
Transportation - $2,507.02
Conference Fees - $1010.00
Cell Phone Service - $190.88

Compared to:
Dr Waddell - $3860.03
Tom Ferguson - $325.03
Julie Foughty - $973.75
Vernell Gregg - $8894.37
Jeff Knapp - $3036.85
Carol Kyer - $8640.76
Brenda Latham - $278.40
Mike McDaniel - $213.58 (May to EOY)
Dr. Roy - $13,734.67 (left Feb. 2011)
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Posted: 2012/5/17 18:59  Updated: 2012/5/17 18:59
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If you have the source documents, we'll post them.

I will say that about a year or two ago, I went through 12 months of expense reports for Dr. Roy and the board, page-by-page. I don't think I totaled them up...

Anyhow, what was apparent to me was that LISD administration are hard-asses on accounting for every last penny, and hitting the member or employee for anything overage or personal.

Yes, there were an inordinate number of conferences, to my opinion, but that's a judgement call. I expect that whoever wins the State Rep race will spend even more on expenses. We do want our elected officials to have the necessary training to fully understand the issues and understand best practices. I'm willing to invest a certain amount in them for that.

I'm a little more worried about 2 other categories:
- Elected officials that don't bother to attend conferences or seminars for professional education
- Elected officials who get their training "free" from outside groups with varying motives.

I just want to make sure that these folks are traveling with the same thriftiness I have to use when I travel: Coach airfare, compact rental car, and moderate hotels like Hampton Inn, Comfort Inn, Homewood Suites, Hilton Garden Inn, Starwood Suites and so forth. Conference organizers tend to like to put their events in the huge full-service $300 per night hotels, and as nice as that is for the attendee, it's worth it to stay elsewhere and pay for parking. Every meal doesn't have to be a steakhouse, either.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 19:20  Updated: 2012/5/17 21:46
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Was Waddell even in LISD in 2010-2011? I thought he just came to the school district this school year.

I would also suggest that you look at the school board minutes to see if Mrs. Fulton was tasked to go by the school board. I am sure that is what happened. She didn't just decide to spend school district money without the okay of the board. If the board asks her to go to a conference then the board is expected to pay for her expenses. I am sure there are per diem rates, etc. like most companies and government agencies have for food and lodging. This is all pretty easy to find out if you really wanted the facts.
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Posted: 2014/3/26 4:07  Updated: 2014/3/26 5:29
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cool!
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Anonymous
Posted: 2012/5/17 17:36  Updated: 2012/5/17 19:01
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Jerry Roy was the Superintendent not a board member, just to be clear.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 17:40  Updated: 2012/5/23 16:09
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Serving in a volunteer capacity, is it your position that she should pay for these items from personal funds?
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Posted: 2012/5/17 18:27  Updated: 2012/5/17 18:27
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Are you sure you really want to go there? I mean, you are aware that the budget for Frisco's City Council expenses, which are almost twice as high as a city like Lewisville's, went up by 5.62% in the last year, right? (see p. 53, "General Government Department Summary", Frisco 2012 Budget PDF) According to page 63 of that document, council members are paid a $350 monthly. So if you take $350 x 12 = $4,200, that's how much Fallon is getting before he even requests anything. $4,200 per councilmember x seven councilmembers = $29,400 for stipends. That leaves about $93k in expense money for the council, which is at least $13k per councilmember for expenditures after they've received a stipend.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 11:12  Updated: 2012/5/14 11:26
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Perhaps Mr. Fallon doesn't realize most people move to Denton County for the neighborhood schools. It isn't nice to tell falsehoods about our kids schools.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 18:21  Updated: 2012/5/14 19:51
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Pat Fallon attended the regular annual business meeting of the Lone Star Ranch HOA, his supposed new residence in late April. During which he and a campaign staffer handed out his campaign business cards and the staffer took down the personal information of people attending the meeting. The HOA has separate candidate forums and this was not one. An LSR resident confronted him about his actions and he talked about being afforded free speech and how two people in the meeting should be allowed to talk politics. He was told whatever other people talk about is their business. He, as a candidate is to follow election rules and proper conduct and not use the closed meeting to campaign. He said he was there as a resident. His actions and the failure of the LSR Board President or board or property manager in effect donated LSR meeting time for his campaigning thus the time becomes a campaign donation under tax and election law and he would have to report it which has not been seen and putting the LSR Homeowners Association in violation of tax law by allowing his activities to begin and take place, in effect becoming a taxable donation and violating its 5013C status. The HOA property manager was warned a week ahead of time that Fallon might pull something to which she said, nothing would happen under her watch and with years of experience of running HOA meetings. Both the manager and HOA Board President said they were too busy to deal with Fallon's actions when asked by a homeowner to stop them.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 21:57  Updated: 2012/5/14 22:10
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Comment deleted for antagonizing another user with no substantial comment. See rule #2. - Ed.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 22:02  Updated: 2012/5/14 22:11
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That is the way Pat Fallon rolls. He does not have to abide by the rules. I for one do not want him in Frisco, Austin or anywhere else for that matter. He is not interested my my voice, he only wants to hear his own.
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Posted: 2012/5/14 22:14  Updated: 2012/5/14 23:09
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Mr. Fallon doesn't feel he needs to follow the rules. That's the way he rolls. He has no respect or regard for others. If you dare to go againt him he has no use for you. I find it funny, he smiles, shake hands strongly and say "God Bless". Denton county will surely need God's Blessing if Mr. Fallon wins this election.
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Posted: 2012/5/16 18:50  Updated: 2012/5/16 23:38
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This was written about Pat Fallon during the battle over the Arts of Collin County. It still holds true today. He has not, and is not going to change.

For someone who claims to want increased transparency in Denton County, Pat Fallon is certainly quick to hide his actions and words. Denton County deserves better than a man who literally erases the opinions of residents who dare to disagree with him.

There is a U.S. military term called Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and a Gentleman. It is punishable by court-martial.


"A gentleman is understood to have a duty to avoid dishonest acts, displays of indecency, lawlessness, dealing unfairly, indecorum, injustice, or acts of cruelty."

Pat Fallon is no gentleman... and he doesn't deserve any office.. We need a State Rep. who are able to listen to and express dissenting opinions with class and civility, but Pat Fallon isn't one of them. He's a bully, and a coward.
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Posted: 2012/5/15 9:05  Updated: 2012/5/15 12:51
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I heard he did the same thing to the "FARW" group about two or three years ago. They said on the day they were voting the new leaders to the group, Pat Fallon marched in with a bunch of ladies and voted themselves in and took over the entire organization. This is how he runs his agendas. If you aren't part of it, he's going to run you over. The "R" stands for Republican in FARW. Which means he's not afraid to run over his same politcal party in order to get what he wants.
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Posted: 2012/5/16 9:15  Updated: 2012/5/16 9:28
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which is why this group is now mocked as the "FALLON Area Republican Women" behind their back.

And why instead of one really strong GOP ladies club in Frisco which could be the envy of the entire state, there are now two different separate clubs who barely speak to one another, and cannibalize each other for members and resources.

it's too bad, really. In a few short years, one guy did a lot of damage to a good town.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 10:09  Updated: 2012/5/17 10:10
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What Pat Fallon fears is people who will stand up to him and know the rules and put them before his face literally. Amber Fulton should be helped by citizens against Fallon. Fallon will follow Rick Perry's lead, using the legislature to build his personal fortune even more and leave Frisco, Little Elm, The Colony, Denton and adjacent areas without leadership. There is time to report his lack of respect for the laws of Texas. He has gotten away with his actions, because people are scared of him. He is a coward as others have said, nobody should be afraid of a coward. He thinks posting the most campaign signs makes him a winner, in reality four signs in the same spot shows he has no regard for managing money, his campaign and will take that approach to Austin.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 10:45  Updated: 2012/5/17 11:11
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Excellent post! He is a bully plain and simple who is using this Texas House race for political expediency as a step on his ladder. Fallon will leave the citizens of 106 in his dust if they elect him. Still do not understand why he had to move when there was a new house seat(33) where he already lived. Makes no sense but career politicians climbing the ladder rarely do make sense!
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Posted: 2012/5/17 14:00  Updated: 2012/5/17 14:05
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Looks like Fallon may have more to worry about than just where he lives.

http://www.fallonforTAXES.com/
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Posted: 2012/5/17 14:11  Updated: 2012/5/17 14:11
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Hmmm... Wants to implement the so-called "Fair Tax"? If so, here's a review we did of that idea back in 2006. In short, very, very risky. A lot of unknowns here, and difficult to pull off in just one state. I tend to think it's an idea that would even further drive income inequality, and shift the tax burden from the top to the bottom - in other words, it's regressive.
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Posted: 2012/5/18 16:16  Updated: 2012/5/18 16:27
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Fallon's surrogates at Frisco Lakes already got a warning when a campaign worker approached a voter, harassed her and then when on to proclaim that they knew how the person would vote and announced it loudly. Election Judge stepped in and told them to stop that kind of conduct. Check out Frisco Lakes and Frisco, his signs everywhere, four in the same spot, do you trust this guy to budget and spend state money when he can't control his sign budget? His campaign is becoming the biggest joke in Texas.
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Posted: 2012/5/18 17:35  Updated: 2012/5/18 19:45
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Having Frisco Lakes as a voting location was one of Fallon's little manuevers. Why the rest of Frisco's council agreed to that who knows. Voting locations need to be in NUETRAL territory like fire stations or schools. Not at a location like Frisco Lakes where you're going to be harrassed if you decide to vote the other direction. Fallon and Keating both have spent allot of time recruiting the Lakes. In fact in their previous campaign's they did a great job of dividing Frisco at the county line (Denton vs. Collin).

You know.... Obama is doing the same thing... It's called Class Warfare!
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Posted: 2012/5/18 20:21  Updated: 2012/5/18 20:30
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Could we just focus on the election at hand? There will be plenty of time to debate whether Romney or Obama will be a better choice after these local elections are done.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 16:15  Updated: 2012/5/19 16:15
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PS,

In case you didn't notice and clearly geography isn't your strong suit, Ms Fulton has a voting center at the govt facility in her home town.

Or are you saying Ms Fulton has done a very poor job of actually working to earn the votes of her fellow Colony residents?

Perhaps that explains why her Mayor, police association and even her precinct chairs all endorsed her opponents.

BTW, Pat didn't "maneuver" Frisco Lakes, I actually did. But my "logic" was far more insidious, I thought our senior citizens shouldn't have to travel so far to vote. Damn me for caring about those who actually vote.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 23:09  Updated: 2012/5/20 10:59
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Was it you Chuck that put the polling location at FL's? Fallon claimed that was his gig. And also the location in Heritage Lakes. Was that yours too? What else do you tell Fallon to do? :)
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Posted: 2012/5/19 16:39  Updated: 2012/5/19 16:39
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Really? Obama is setting polling locations? He has more power than I thought.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 17:25  Updated: 2012/5/17 17:30
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I drive by 6 Large signs at one intersection every day. That is a bit of an overkill. Did he run out of places to put them, or does he think that people can't read? Conservative? Don't think so.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 17:41  Updated: 2012/5/17 19:01
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So getting back to the original thread, is there going to be an investigation as to whether he fudged the rules about his residency? I don't like it when people cheat the system in order to get what they want.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 16:45  Updated: 2012/5/19 16:45
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That's up to your elected officials and the law enforcement that they have appointed. But what are they going to do - stake out the guy's house to see if he actually lives there? That's not going to happen.

It's up to voters to decide whether residence matters, and who they want to represent them. The constitution says a year, but doesn't define residence. If voters buy Fallon's story or not, the political environment in this country has come to a point that they're willing to overlook "minor technicalities" if the candidate tells them what they want to hear.
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Posted: 2012/5/17 18:11  Updated: 2012/5/17 18:11
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I would like to know if any law enforcement agency is looking into Pat Fallon's residency question. Facts and statement are out there. Will the anti-voter fraud Texas statewide leaders investigate one of their own? or will they turn a blind eye to the situation?
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Posted: 2012/5/19 16:09  Updated: 2012/5/19 16:09
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Ah yes, the sad "anonymous" smear campaign against Pat Fallon.

Sorry to disappoint all you who cowardly try to smear while hiding behind your keyboard but Mr Fallon was in fact a resident of Denton County when he filed.

No doubt after he OVERWHELMINGLY wins the election, his opponent will file yet another "complaint/suit" trying to make an issue over this. And like all the other complaints, they will be dismissed.

BTW, not sure which one of the "anonymous" claimed Mr Fallon is like Perry but you really have no clue of the facts.

While Rick and Pat are both former AF officers, the similarities stop there. Rick was a life long democrat and a poor farm boy who made his fortune in politics. Mr Fallon left the AF and built a strong, thriving company employing over 100 and made his fortune the American way, he earned it.

There is a reason that every mayor (save one who is tied to Ms Fulton's campaign people) in the district have endorsed Mr Fallon. That would include Ms Fulton's home town mayor too.

Have you stopped to ask yourself why?

Why, Virtually every city councilperson in the district has endorsed Pat.

Why, Pat enjoys the endorsements of so many Denton County Elected leaders?

Why have so many of the police and Fire associations endorsed Pat? Why have NONE of them in the district endorsed Amber?

In fact why does Ms Fulton enjoy so little support from inside her district? She has no major endorsements, not backed by any of 106's political leadership, not one police or fire association and virtually no financial support from the district.

Ms Fulton couldn't even land the endorsement of a single precinct chair. Why?


Now I realize critical thinking isn't a strong suit here but at some point, even the most blind of followers has to be looking around saying "WHY?"



Oh yeah,

I should add. Had anyone bothered to actually check the rules, they would see that Mr Fallon was in fact a resident of the district on the date required by law so this whole smear campaign is a joke.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 16:34  Updated: 2012/5/19 16:34
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 Maybe we should just skip having elections...
...and let precinct chairs choose all of our elected officials. After all, they do have to be rabidly loyal to the party, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the conspiracy theory of the week above all else, and be able to fog a mirror and sign their names. How could anyone else possibly attempt to make an informed choice about who can lead?

I mean, if Republican precinct chairs are convinced that candidate X hates all the same groups and people as much as they do, scapegoats the same people as they do, and wants to regress society and kill public education as much as they do, then that should be good enough for the rest of us.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 21:46  Updated: 2012/5/19 21:46
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Really?

the best you can do is toss out a mindless ad hominem attack?

sorry you could not intelligent discuss much less refute the points I brought up.

Ironically Ms Fulton claims to be a Republican too.

PS,

Mr Fallon's support goes WAY beyond just precinct chairs.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 17:30  Updated: 2012/5/19 17:44
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I've asked before but you have failed to reply with why you support Fallon. Give me some facts that would make me want to support Fallon. Share his platform with me. Tell me why he is better than Fulton. Otherwise, you are just as libelous as those "anonymous" posters that you rage against.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 21:53  Updated: 2012/5/19 21:53
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Actually I have address that question several times.

Of course you post as "anonymous" so I have no clue who you are or why you haven't read MULTIPLE posts discussing Mr Fallon's various positions.

to begin with, I know he will stand by his word about holding the line on excess spending and unnecessary taxes since I watched him take the lead in Frisco.

I also know he understands the real problems with educations which began as our admin staff grew from 1 staffer for every 5 teachers to 1 staffer for every teacher. Oh yeah, their average pay is significantly higher too.

Schools would be better if the focus was on students and teachers not Superintendents' bonuses. Ms Fulton has taken a great deal of money and support from the business as usual in schools/raise taxes pay super's more crowd.

Pat understand business and will be proactive bringing more biz to Texas and supporting the biz already here. His opponent's "biz experience" is limited to consulting to ISDs and her voting record is more taxes bigger admin staffs.


Pat Fallon is a problem solver, his opponent (to quote Charlie Wilson) is on the other side of that issue.

Need more? I can do this all night.

I notice noone has "promoted" Ms Fulton's "platform" though several have pointed out her track record doesn't match her campaign promises.
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Posted: 2012/5/20 7:33  Updated: 2012/5/20 10:59
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The only next step to take is to put Mr. Fallon under oath, in front of judge, and ask him the very questions regarding his residency. At that point, its up to him to decide what is right vs. wrong.
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Posted: 2012/5/20 10:24  Updated: 2012/5/20 11:02
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Holding the line one spending and unnecessary taxing - how?

understands the real problems with educations [sic] - so, he's not running for school board

Proactive bringing more biz to Texas... - how?

Need more? - YES because you didn't answer the question with anything other than vague talking points of a political campaign.

I have read ALL of your posts. They all speak at a campaign level with no backup or details. Fallon's website doesn't answer my questions either. What I see is a lot of talking points but no talk. What I also see is ranting about things that Fallon would have no control over be it immigration [federal] or how school funds are spent [school board].

[And yes, I'm anonymous and you don't know who I am because of that. Guess what, you wouldn't know who I was if I told you my name either so what does it matter?]
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Posted: 2012/5/19 18:57  Updated: 2012/5/19 19:38
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He registered and voted from an address he did not live at. That's fraud and pleading ignorance or buying a house or any other BS does not fly. If he knew as he says he did that he would be under scrutiny, why take a chance? Stay in the same house you lived in since 2006 and run in the new HD 33. It is all a ruse and fraud from where I stand. Pat Fallon feels he is entitled to this seat because of the money he has donated and the wheels he has greased up. It's that simple. He has no plans, his issues page on his website is laughable and three of his "issues" are federal. Fallon has no plan for Medicaid mandates
Shortfall, wants to gut public education, and is part of a dangerous growing right wing of the Republican party. He openly criticizes and tries to intimidate anyone who has a different opinion than he does. Pat Fallon will say anything to get elected, but has no plan to fix any of the states pressing problems. He likes to crow about abortion, guns, and immigration all of which are mainly Federal and not state issues. He is a rigid ideologue and not the kind if state rep I want for sure.
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Posted: 2012/5/19 22:25  Updated: 2012/5/23 16:08
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Bottom line is the two largest line items in the state budget are public education and health and human services. Fallon proposes to cut both of these, abolish margin taxes, and then turn around and implement a risky increase in the Texas sales tax.
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Total fail.

Money going to the state or county parties does NOTHING for PCs in the field. Nor am I sure he's given the $$$$ you claim.

Still, the only people who's "salaries" Pat Fallon has helped pay are executive directors and staff (and I can assure you both state and county run on shoe string budgets). These are not the people endorsing him. He is endorsed by the unpaid volunteers like myself

But in the interest of "full" disclosure, in all the years I have known Pat Fallon, he has in fact bought me a chicken fried steak dinner exactly ONCE. that at a small local restaurant in Pilot Point just off the square well after I had endorsed him.

The reality is that EVERY Precinct Chair, Police and Fire Association, every Mayor, every elected official and every endorser makes their endorsement individually. Oddly, you claim others "lie" yet here you try to "misrepresent" the truth

"but remember Proverbs where it says that a fool is not interested in the truth only his own opinions"


That quote is just ironic given how badly you try to "misrepresent" reality to support your 'opinion".

But then you seem to be championing the absurd idea we can tax our way to prosperity.

You actually believe that Ms Fulton did a "good job" on LISD which is clearly not supported by the idea the voters booted her out. A very rare occurrence. And sorry to tell you, no one lied about her. In yet another irony, this thread is full of lies, half truths and irrelevant information designed to obscurate the truth.

As far as Ms Fulton working "hard for LISD", #1 reason she was unelected was going to Austin to lobby for the power to raise taxes and issue bonds without voter approval. Her #1 supporter is Parent PAC, a PAC built to prevent the break up of power held by the admin side of schools which effectively works for more admin (big govt) and less classroom (students/teachers).

You really should take your quote to heart and actually learn about the issues. As a parent, I can see the negative impact of our teacher admin ratio falling from 1 to 5 down to 1 to 1. Frisco ISD sits at 1.1 to .9 today with more money for salaries actually going to Admin not teachers.

Either you don't understand the issues or you are intentionally trying to misrepresent them.


Ms Fulton bills herself as a Republican (top line of her election signs) and as a conservative yet she fights for bigger govt and more taxes. Now I understand why you and the editor here like her for that but it's 180 degrees out from an actual Republican stance.
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Posted: 2012/5/20 9:36  Updated: 2012/5/20 11:17
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FALLON, PATRICK
FRISCO, TX 75034
CITY OF FRISCO
REPUBLICAN PARTY OF TEXAS

07/01/2010 2450.00 10931860554

07/20/2010 3100.00 10931860585


FALLON, PATRICK E
FRISCO,TX 75034NONE/RETIRED12/15/10$2,000Denton County Republican Party

FALLON, PATRICK
FRISCO,TX 75034 10/12/10$1,900Kelly, Jesse (R)

FALLON, PATRICK
FRISCO,TX 75034CITY OF FRISCO/CITY COUNCIL7/20/10$3,100Texas Republican Congressional Cmte (R)

FALLON, PATRICK
FRISCO,TX 75034CITY OF FRISCO/CITY COUNCIL7/1/10$2,450Texas Republican Congressional Cmte (R)

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/sea ... t=Submit+your+Donor+Query

Contributor Name Employer Filer Name Amount Contribution
Date Report #
Fallon, Patrick Self Employed Collin County Republican Party (CEC), $ 950.00 02/10/2009 421013

Fallon, Patrick Self-employed Collin County Republican Party (CEC), $ 200.00 02/20/2009 421013

Fallon, Patrick Virtus Apparel Moses, Fred N. $ 350.00 02/04/2010 444964

Fallon, Patrick Self-employed Collin County Republican Party (CEC), $ 435.00 02/08/2010 458252

Fallon, Patrick Self-employed Collin County Republican Party (CEC), $ 250.00 03/08/2010 458252

Fallon, Patrick Paxton, W. Kenneth $ 1,250.00 11/23/2010 472853

Fallon, Patrick Frisco Area Republican Women, $ 466.00 12/15/2011 511666

Fallon, Patrick Frisco Area Republican Women, $ 20.00 01/10/2012 523463

Fallon, Patrick Frisco Area Republican Women, $ 18.00 01/10/2012 523463

Fallon, Patrick Frisco Area Republican Women, $ 20.00 01/10/2012 523885

Fallon, Patrick Frisco Area Republican Women, $ 18.00 01/10/2012 523885

Fallon, Patrick Frisco Area Republican Women, $ 15.00 02/14/2012 523463

Fallon, Patrick Frisco Area Republican Women, $ 15.00 02/14/2012 523885

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http://www.ethics.state.tx.us/php/fsearchSimple.php

CWright, maybe you should buy Pat a steak and ask him for some specific postions on issues. I still have not heard anything specific from you and there is nothing specific on his website either.
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Posted: 2012/5/20 16:37  Updated: 2012/5/20 16:37
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I will do my best here. First Pat Fallon has been donating tens of thousands of dollars to both the Denton County and State Republican Party.

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Upon further review,

I appears Mr Fallon has donated approx $15,000 in total to various Republican groups, organization and candidates.

The quoted claim is like so many I have seen from Ms Fulton's supporters, an embellishment stretched so far it no longer is either honest nor accurate.

Though I do have to say, it is comical to watch y'all spin up in a tizzy acting like we should be more worried about how Pat Fallon spends the money he earned while we ignore the tax and spend policy of public tax money of his opponent.

Now she is welcome to adopt any policy she wishes but she is the one who labels herself a "conservative" (noone else does).

It is also not surprising that her support seems to be strongest with VERY moderate Republicans and Democrats while Mr Fallon enjoys the support of recognized area and state conservatives.
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Posted: 2012/5/21 15:07  Updated: 2012/5/21 17:15
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Sir if you think these donations are irrelevant and have NOTHING to do with the support Fallon has received from County party activists and elected officials, then you are truly naive. I don't think you believe that. You and all the precinct chairs know better. He keynoted your volunteer dinner in 2010 and probably bought cheese and crackers for your little monthly meetings a few times. Building community support is essential for a campaign like this, he has just tried to buy it.
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Posted: 2012/5/21 15:21  Updated: 2012/5/22 15:29
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Fallon donated/raised $28000.00 to the State Republican Party in 2011 which put him in the Chairman's circle and the party then promptly named him "rising star".

http://www.texasgop.org/posts/148-cha ... circle-profile-pat-fallon
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Posted: 2012/5/20 10:49  Updated: 2012/5/20 11:03
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Fallon spent over 18 months locking down endorsements for this seat. Many have since approached Amber to say that had they know she was running they never would have given their endorsement to Fallon.

It is interesting to point out that Fallon’s hometown Mayor — the same Mayor that he has served on the council with — does not endorse Fallon. The Mayor that was reelected in a landslide over the candidate strongly backed by Chuck Wright and Pat Fallon.

And, the Fulton campaign recently released an analysis of the Fallon endorsements that showed of all the endorsements touted by Fallon, fewer than 35% actually live in the district.

It is also interesting that the slate of candidates that Fallon (and Wright) supported for Frisco Council and Lewisville School Board were defeated in a landslide.
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Posted: 2012/5/20 10:30  Updated: 2012/5/20 11:02
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Excellent post! I learned more here about what Fallon stands for than any other posts on this website or Fallon's own webpage. Thanks and GO FULTON!
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Posted: 2012/5/19 22:52  Updated: 2012/5/20 10:58
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Chuck,

watch the blood pressure.
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Posted: 2012/5/20 15:38  Updated: 2012/5/20 15:38
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LOL,

Actually had my BP checked yesterday, I have the BP of a teenager per the nurse.

I guess I am supposed to be more worried about how Pat Fallon spends his money than how Amber Fulton will spend ours in Austin.

Gotta love liberal logic.

And oh no, Pat is out working Amber. the big meanie.

BTW, if you didn't see Pat's stances on the issues on his web page, you either didn't go there or you are just making stuff up.

Amber Fulton touts less than 50 endorsements on her web page, the vast majority residing outside her district.

Even if Pat only enjoys 35% in district (did Brian Mayes actually fail math??? Seems like it), that means he has 10X the published endorsements of Ms Fulton.

The real question, why do NO Mayors, NO County elected officials NO Precinct Chairs, NO Police or Fire associations in the district support or endorse Ms Fulton?
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Posted: 2012/5/20 17:52  Updated: 2012/5/20 18:02
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i think CWright has a crush on this Brian Mayes person. Little bit creepy.
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Posted: 2012/5/21 7:59  Updated: 2012/5/21 7:59
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This is a very interesting and disturbing piece about where the money is going in our schools.

It's damn sure not into the classrooms.

http://americansforprosperity.org/021 ... -education-spending-texas


You are free to bury your head in the sand and deny there is a problem or you can elect leaders that are not in the back pocket of "big govt/big education"

Sad to think the voters in Wisconsin are more educated and care more about their kids than Texans do.
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Posted: 2012/5/21 9:51  Updated: 2012/5/21 11:32
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Are Fallon and Fulton running for school board? No? I didn't think so. You are just throwing this in with your other bombs to detract from discussion of issues that the winner of the election will have actual control over.
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Posted: 2012/5/21 11:06  Updated: 2012/5/21 11:33
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Move to Wisconsin....

Pat Fallon said that people move to Frisco for two reasons... 1. The schools, and 2. The low taxes.

So what is it Chuck? Are you saying that Pat now thinks the Schools Stink and they spend too much money? We should clean house on the "Admin" staff? What would you do? What would you tell Fallon to do? What is Fallon going to do without your guidance?

BTW: If Fallon wins, is it his plan to turn the schools upside down because in his opinion there is too much waste? I'd like to know, so I can put my house on the market and get the hell out before he screws everything up.

We are way off subject here. The original article talked about Pat defrauding the government by claiming residency in a home he even doesn't live in. What happened to that? I guess its swept under the rug. No big deal... break the law, but its for a good cause folks.

What if a guy walks into a 7-11 and robs the store, then goes to Frisco Family Services and gives them ALL of the money... It is OK? It's for a good cause guys, let him go. He meant to the do the right thing. Let's bend the rules/law.

Chuck,
Your just mad as hell because your 0-3 in the last two years of campaigning.
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Posted: 2012/5/21 11:58  Updated: 2012/5/21 11:58
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We've gone over this before, Chuck. That's bunk. Here's the actual data and explanations of personnel categories if you care to look. Otherwise, you can continue to believe whatever line of bullshit that "Americans for Prosperity" is selling.

Non-teacher jobs are not non-essential. Non-teacher jobs are not always non-classroom. Somebody has to handle the tasks of assisting with special needs students, taking attendance, writing and revising curriculum, leading and supervising teachers, keeping the computer systems running, making payroll, and so forth. There has to be a school nurse, and a librarian, and a custodian, and cafeteria workers. That stuff doesn't just do itself.

We'll always need to stay on top of efficiency and ensure we do the most we can with the least resources, but the schools are running pretty lean right now.

I encourage you to attend your school district's next budget workshop and get educated on where the money goes. What you'll find is that if it could have been eliminated, it would have. If it could have been gone without, it would have. They don't hire just for the purpose of hiring. The elected school board members across the state who have spent the time with the numbers come to the same conclusion, which is why most school districts have similar balances of employees.

The AFP and right-wing radicals will continue to mislead, as an excuse or cover to implement their anti-public education agenda. But it's not a requirement of being a Republican that you hate public education, or buy every line of bullshit that some shady billionaire-funded think tank comes along with. There was a time when left and right could agree that public education was important, and needed to be funded.
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Posted: 2012/6/3 12:42  Updated: 2012/6/3 12:45
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Wait the "actual" data comes from the same fox running the hen house?

I'll bet you belive Obama has made the country better too.

We are not anti education, we are anti big govt admin that is sucking the life out of TEXAS schools.

It is ironic that you claim the numbers from the actual school district are bunk (where do you think AFP gets them? I got my frisco numbers from the Frisco ISD which I had to fight for because they damn sure don't want people seeing them).

your smack isn't even very strong. I'd argue I'm far more pro student pro teacher than you are.

That's why I volunteer my time in groups like PTA, Watchdogs and YEA (a ground breaking pro-business in school's national organization).

I agree education should be funded. I disagree that our admin staff should be so well staffed and paid while our teachers rot. but hey, that's because I actually have kids in our schools and don't buy into the "union is great" mentality of the left.

Hey Brian,

Pat won by the biggest open seat marin in the state. You owe Amber a HUGE refund, her race was piss poor. Pat didn't even hire a campaign manager.

Good luck in '13, I really hope you waste Frisco's time running candidates against two of our stronger councilmen.

PS,

I'm out as my work her is complete. Anyone who wants to correspond, frisco119@gmail.com.

Otherwise, it was nice to see Dems outvoted 9 to 1 in Denton county and Mitt getting close to 1,000,000 votes in Texas while Obummer barely cracked half a mil.

Also good to see liberal losers like Vicki Truitt etc booted from office.
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Posted: 2012/6/3 15:54  Updated: 2012/6/3 15:55
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Who would want to correspond with you Chuck based on the hateful tone of every rant that you have posted here? You can't take the information that Steve gave you without attacking him. He is a better person than I am as I would have banned your account some time ago due to your personal attacks. I don't care about your politics. I am glad that people feel free to voice their opinions even if they are different than mine. I might learn something from them and they might learn something from me. I have had enlightening discussions with with many people on the other side of an issue but the main difference is that we always kept our discussions respectful which is something that you can't seem to do. So, I am glad that you are out.

Signed,
A PTA officer, school volunteer, substitute teacher, scout leader, Sunday School teacher, elder and all around active and involved parent of two wonderful kids
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Posted: 2012/5/21 12:05  Updated: 2012/5/21 17:14
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I guess the house(s) in Starwood are the "Lake House(s)".

http://www.collincad.org/ccdetail.php?theKey=2140466 1.1 million Lake House
http://www.collincad.org/ccdetail.php?theKey=2140475 1.7 million Lake House

Both on the same street... Does he rent them out? Because I've heard he doesn't live in either of them.

This is where he claims to live. 300K home.
http://www.dentoncad.com/index.php?op ... pertyType=R&AbsCd=SF0293A

Its like moving into a garage compared to what you had in Starwood.
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Posted: 2012/5/29 19:33  Updated: 2012/5/29 23:53
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Well... Pat Fallon won the election. So Pat, please get the hell out of our neighborhood.

Sell your "Lake Houses" and move out because we're tired of your SH&^%.
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Posted: 2014/2/4 23:43  Updated: 2014/2/5 10:04
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Can anyone tell me where Pat Fallon was born? He has a yankee accent. I can't find anything about his birthplace.
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Boston
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