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Danger from Mercury or fear from Uranus? Compact Fluorescents (Updated)

The Nimrods Never Cease to Amaze Me
Posted by WhosPlayin on 2007/8/8 17:54:16 (4858 reads)

It seems our esteemed Congressman from Lewisville, Michael Burgess (R-TX-26) wants you to be afraid of compact fluorescent light bulbs. In a move straight out of the Faux News play-book, Burgess showed just how much contempt he has for anyone attempting to affect energy policy by conservation. His original posting - which was debunked by the Sierra Club several days earlier is reproduced here with my comments in red: (Click images for more detail)

Do You Call the EPA to Change Your Light Bulb, Maybe You Should

WASHINGTON, DC, Aug 6 - Written for The Hill's Blog

I feel compelled to educate both Members and the general public about mercury safety issues conspicuously missing from the so called energy bill. [Editor's note: H.R. 3221 was the Energy Bill that Burgess voted against.] Sadly, the Rules Committee decided my amendment was not made in order. But I am not deterred from making certain my amendment language concerning the safety of compact fluorescent light bulbs is known.

Lets go here. Our government has illegally invaded and started a civil war in Iraq; the one who occupies the office of the President has gutted our Constitution and hastily dismantled every environmental, safety, and consumer protection; New Orleans is still not rebuilt; and we must reduce greenhouse gasses quickly to avert global warming's very real and tangible consequences. Please, by all means - lets stomp some ants while the elephants are running loose!


Why, you may ask is this an issue? Compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFL), admittedly energy efficient and cost effective, do carry a significant risk from mercury, about 5 milligrams per light bulb to be exact.

Yes, Dr. Burgess failed to make his amendment in order. On the House floor, on August 4th, he actually said: "... We now all have these in our offices over in the Longworth Building. I know I found two. I wasn't told that they were being put in the office..." Geez Mike - Can you spare us the drama? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! THERE ARE CF Bulbs in the building!!! I WASN'T TOLD!!!


Remember the old mercury thermometers that we all used to use but are no longer on the market? Well, CFLs are the new cause for concern. Luckily, the federal government is actually aware this is a problem, but they are taking their time to rectify the situation.

Remember when you used to practice medicine? The mercury in the picture I posted below was recovered during the renovation of a (here it comes...) Doctor's office - where the old mercury-containing sphygmomanometers were abandoned. Heck, our current doctor still has these things in the office.

I believe the amount of mercury shown was obtained when I cleaned up three of the devices, which literally used to roll around on wheels, and could easily be knocked over. The amount shown is sufficient to manufacture 816,000 CF bulbs!!!


My amendment deals with the timeline that is going to outlaw the incandescent bulb in this country by 2012. That means, for the current time, you will probably be using one of these light bulbs in your home.

JUST ONE? Our modest home takes 36. We haven't used the old-timey bulbs in years.


The problem comes when the light bulbs break. If and when they do, what does the Environmental Protection Agency recommend? It recommends you open the window and leave the room for 15 minutes. Then, put on rubber gloves and bag the broken pieces into two sealed zip-lock bags before you place them in an “outside” trashcan. And when you do vacuum the area, remove the vacuum bag, seal it in double plastic bags, and send it only to a landfill that accepts mercury. This is a pretty onerous burden to put upon the taxpayers of the United States.

Onerous? I would use the word "ridiculous". First, in the 14 years or so that we've been using CF bulbs, not only do I still have the first one - intact, but I've only ever had one that broke in the house. Secondly, what you do Mike, is you just take the damned thing outside if you can, and you let it evaporate. If you break one hot, then yes, you should probably leave the room. And you should probably quit playing hockey in the house. As I'm sure you are aware, it is the long-term accumulated exposure to mercury that causes problems. We get more of our mercury in the form of methylmercury, which is in our fish now because of coal-fired power plants.


My largest concern is where these CFLs are in heavily populated and potentially compromised areas: a hospital nursery, a daycare center, a nursing home with non-ambulatory patients. If you break a compact fluorescent bulb in one of those locations, you are in for big trouble. Imagine the difficulty of attempting to remove 20 children from a nursery quickly and keep them away for 15 minutes. Most hospital nurseries that I worked in don't even have a window to open. So how are they going to comply with those EPA guidelines?

Mike, all of the hospitals and nursing homes I've seen use conventional commercial-grade 4 foot or 8 foot fluorescent tubes, or 2 foot U-tubes for overhead lighting. Recycling is MANDATORY for these tubes which contain 20 milligrams of mercury each. Further, as a frequent traveler, I can tell you that almost all hotels now use CF bulbs. I check. Smart businesses use CFs because they save money. That is something that Republicans can appreciate too.


The fact of the matter is my amendment would have had language that said: no nursery, hospital, or nursing home is compelled to use a compact fluorescent bulb where the population might be vulnerable to exposure.

Ever heard of fiber-optic lighting, or LEDs? Mike, THIS is a fine example of a problem that is easily solved by the free market. Take a look at the picture of the CFs that I posted above. These have a glass containment around the twisted tube. Current fluorescent tube installations already have precautions to prevent shattered tubes. You put a grill around it, or coat it in plastic.


Unfortunately, the House Speaker and House leadership did not want that amendment made in order. Which reminds me, how many politicians does it take to change a light bulb?

Sour grapes? I applaud that you took the time to try to put forth an amendment on something you care about. If you cared about our troops, it would have been nice to put forth an amendment to the defense authorization bill banning the use of Depleted Uranium - a much more dangerous metal.


Look, as easy as you make it for me, I'm not really trying to poke fun at you for this. You have a valid point. CF bulbs do have mercury, which is dangerous. It's a compromise that I wish we didn't have to deal with, but it actually reduces the amount of elemental mercury entering our environment to use CF bulbs. The amount of electricity saved over the lifetime of the bulb, most of which is currently generated by coal burning power plants, actually will reduce the amount of mercury released into the atmosphere. Coal-fired power plants in this country put an estimated 50 TONS of mercury into our atmosphere each year, contaminating our water and food. People absolutely should make every effort to recycle their bulbs at the end of their useful lives, so that all of the mercury can be safely recovered.

What I object to here is the fear-mongering. What could possibly be your motivation for trying to scare people? I haven't checked the campaign finance reports yet, but is there some sort of Incandescent Light Bulb Association PAC sending lobbyists around to your office? I kid, but the politics of FEAR is wrong. If you want to know why, read More Love, No Fear, or the Parable of Two Wolves


For those readers who haven't tried CF bulbs, I strongly encourage you to get a pack and replace your 5 most commonly used bulbs in your house. You will find that today's CF bulbs turn on instantly, and with near full intensity. (If you had tried them 14 years ago, they used to take some time to warm up.) The light is warm and bright, just like a regular bulb, but without all the heat. They're perfect in our Texas summer, when electricity rates are highest (in the nation), and we're paying to cool our air.

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Anonymous
Posted: 2007/8/8 23:14  Updated: 2007/8/8 23:33
 lol
Interesting that he refers to the federal government as a "they" when he is a card-carrying member!
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Anonymous
Posted: 2007/8/8 23:14  Updated: 2007/8/8 23:33
 Is he for real???
How did this guy get elected? I would think he could find more pressing issues than light bulbs. Maybe he needs to see a "real" doctor about his OCD with mercury... then go eat a fish.
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Anonymous
Posted: 2007/8/9 6:32  Updated: 2007/8/9 7:22
 What an embarrassment to Congress
This guy is truly an idiot.

Can someone please tell him that we have a war going on and spend his time getting us out of that instead of working on changing a light bulb.
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Anonymous
Posted: 2007/8/9 7:43  Updated: 2007/8/9 8:07
 What a useless suit
It's like Bill Frist without the edited Terri Schiavo video.

I suppose we should b grateful for small favors at that.

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Anonymous
Posted: 2007/8/9 7:51  Updated: 2007/8/9 8:08
 Jesus Christ on a Christmas tree crutch.
That man is a moron.
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WhosPlayin
Posted: 2007/8/10 9:25  Updated: 2007/8/10 9:25
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 I wouldn't go that far
It is possible for intelligent people to get things wrong. Especially given the extremely divisive nature of politics these days, people tend to get too bogged down in one ideology to the exclusion of any information or facts that run contrary. There is a good book by Michael Shermer: "Why People Believe Weird Things", and it does a good job of describing this phenomenon and other similar fallacies of thought.

Regarding your subject line: I'd prefer that we keep from using verbiage that will alienate people of faith. I tend to avoid editing other people's posts, but I came really close to removing your subject line.
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Posted: 2007/8/10 20:14  Updated: 2007/8/10 21:15
 Re: Dont you have an obligation
Where is the left wing spin here? If that's the case, then Wal-Mart has suddenly become a communist retail store. You know, that giant mega mart that wants everyone to buy and own CFL bulbs and basically told GE and other companies to get on the ball.
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Posted: 2007/8/10 16:06  Updated: 2007/8/10 16:06
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 Let me just clarify a couple of things
The EPA guideline referred to is very positive about the use of Compact Fluorescent bulbs, and encourages their use - specifically for Energy Star rated bulbs.

Regarding the cleanup of a broken bulb, I think you should read the guidelines and do what you can within the bounds of common sense. Hysteria is not called for.

Where you want to take the most precaution is when you work in a job that puts you at risk of repetitive exposure in this way. For instance, if you work at a CFL manufacturer, retailer, or recycling plant and breakage becomes a common occurrence. In that case, your employer should have a procedure in place for worker protection and disposal.

There is likely no need to call a haz-mat crew, or bother first-responders. And if you should happen to breathe a bit of the air in the room when a bulb breaks, you're likely to only get a very small dose. Hopefully it will only kill the weaker brain cells.

Now, as to the new laws to phase out old-timey inefficient light-bulbs, I should clarify what the law does, and what I would have made it do.

First, the law basically requires that any lightbulb sold after January 1, 2012 must meet a certain lumens-per-watt standard. It doesn't specifically outlaw incandescents for general use, but provides that any lamp sold must produce 300% of the lumen output per watt that lamps in service today produce.

So in theory, one could produce an incandescent lightbulb, and as long as it meets the 300% standard, it would be allowed to be sold.

Further, the bill contains an exception:
(2) EXEMPTIONS- The regulations issued under paragraph (1) shall include procedures for the Secretary to exempt specialty lamps from the requirements of paragraph (1). The Secretary may provide such an exemption only in cases where the Secretary finds, after a hearing and opportunity for public comment, that it is not technically feasible to serve a specialized lighting application, such as a military, medical, public safety application, or in certified historic lighting applications using bulbs that meet the requirements of paragraph (1). In addition, the Secretary shall include as an additional criterion that exempted products are unlikely to be used in the general service lighting applications.

What I would have done:
If I had written the bill, I wouldn't have flat-out banned inefficient bulbs. As I've written previously, I would have placed an additional tax on them such that their price would increase, and the market would have incentive to choose the better lighting. This allows for freedom of choice for those who are willing to pay extra in order to be choosy about their lightbulbs. Dr. Burgess would be able to pay an extra couple of dollars and get whatever kind of lightbulb he wants, and the government would take his money and use it for funding additional research or providing additional incentives for cleaner power or conservation.

I suspect that Democrats chose not to do that because "new tax" is a third-rail issue for some. Perhaps it would have been veto-bait. I believe that when government finds it necessary to change our collective consumer behaviors, tax policy makes a good carrot-and-stick. The carrot is a tax incentive. The stick is a new tax. You can't pay for the one without the other.

All that said, I would have voted for the bill, even as written. There is still a chance that some discrepancies between the House and Senate versions will be worked out before this goes before the one who occupies the office of the President.
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Posted: 2007/8/12 2:11  Updated: 2007/8/12 10:30
 Re: Let me just clarify a couple of things
I'm somewhere in the middle on this. Dr. Burgess has a point, but probably carries it too far. On the other hand, the folks promoting these bulbs don't really acknowledge the dangers they present. You say the bulbs reduce the amount of mercury in our environment by saving electricity, but you fail to point out the obvious thing: these new bulbs bring the mercury right into my living room, dining room, and my child's room. The current mercury pollution you speak of is not inside my home, it's out at a power plant.

Again, there's no cause for extreme alarm here, but just fess up and be honest that there's a downside to these bulbs that people ought to know about and consider.

By the way, let me also add my voice to those who would like to see the entire Burgess transcript on your site. It seems a bit unfair to just tell us it's boring without letting us read it to decide for ourselves.
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